Formula 1 - 2008 Season

[Kaotik]

There was nothing really dangerous about Valencia, there has been a LOT more tight situations (someone leaving his slot on pits and actually hitting other guys tires or at least close to hitting) on pits earlier too without any penalties.

 

[DJ12]

There was quite good analysis of Räikkönen's problems somewhere, the car was good for him in the beginning for couple first races, but the first big aero package after the start of the season screwed things up, Räikkönen likes oversteering car, while Massa prefers understeering, and after the first aero package the car became increasingly understeering causing Räikkönen problems on getting the settings right to his liking, he can still drive like hell (as seen from.. what, 10(?) fastest laps this season, too) but isn't comfortable with car / as fast as he could be

Well, you cannot have it both ways, he either cannot setup the car to his liking or he's proving how "fast" he is setting all these fast laps and lets face it it isn't just one lap he does quickly it's a whole series of them.

Kimi's problems are all in his head nothing to do with the car at all.

I like Kimi it's just a shame he drives for the FIA and not a decent team.

 

[Dave Baumann]

There was nothing really dangerous about Valencia, there has been a LOT more tight situations (someone leaving his slot on pits and actually hitting other guys tires or at least close to hitting) on pits earlier too without any penalties.

Thats not what the Stewards said - he was penalised in Valencia for the same thing he was penalised for yesterday. The only difference was the the actual punishment itself, not why he got it.

 

[tongue_of_colicab]

Well, you cannot have it both ways, he either cannot setup the car to his liking or he's proving how "fast" he is setting all these fast laps and lets face it it isn't just one lap he does quickly it's a whole series of them.

Kimi's problems are all in his head nothing to do with the car at all.

I like Kimi it's just a shame he drives for the FIA and not a decent team.

Yeah, he should have stayed with mclaren and end up not winning anything like he did all those seasons at mclaren.

 

[Kaotik]

Well, you cannot have it both ways, he either cannot setup the car to his liking or he's proving how "fast" he is setting all these fast laps and lets face it it isn't just one lap he does quickly it's a whole series of them.

Kimi's problems are all in his head nothing to do with the car at all.

Well, all I know is that it's been said ever since he started F1 that his driving style, which is quite different from others (of course others have different styles too, but some experts say that currently there isn't anyone else driving with the same style as Kimi), and needs oversteering car. F2008 was quite good for it until the first aero package which forced it to become more understeering.
There's only so much driver can do to the car with setups, it can't change the basic nature of the car which can be changed via aero package changes developed throughout the year.

 

[Bludd]

A good and pretty technical writeup on the aero changes for 2009 and how they relate specifically to overtaking.

 

[RobertR1]

They should just put a full keyboard on the wheel with macro's. This is getting ridiculous. Driver adjustable wing with 2 changes max per lap! Then coming up, kers overtaking button. Already have many others as is.

I agree with Montezemelo about micky mouse tracks. Give me more Spa and less street circuits. You can make the cars better for passing but if there's no place to pass then it gets messy fast. I rather see drivers win due to going fast vs people trying to take eachother out doing hero passes.

 

[Dave Baumann]

Strikes me that there are three teams that are going to have a pretty good leg-up on the earo design of their own cars next year...

 

[Kaotik]

They should just put a full keyboard on the wheel with macro's. This is getting ridiculous. Driver adjustable wing with 2 changes max per lap! Then coming up, kers overtaking button. Already have many others as is.

I agree with Montezemelo about micky mouse tracks. Give me more Spa and less street circuits. You can make the cars better for passing but if there's no place to pass then it gets messy fast. I rather see drivers win due to going fast vs people trying to take eachother out doing hero passes.

You can't say Häkkinen going past Schumacher at Spa while leaving a lapped driver between the 2 cars anything but 'hero pass', though
It's IMO still the greatest pass of all times in F1

 

[Davros]

You never saw me at istanbul in f1 challenge - I was awesome

 

[Bludd]

You can't say Häkkinen going past Schumacher at Spa while leaving a lapped driver between the 2 cars anything but 'hero pass', though
It's IMO still the greatest pass of all times in F1

That sure is an epic one.

Another one that is pretty dope is Alonso going past Schumacher on the outside in the 130R corner at Suzuka in 2005.

 

[tongue_of_colicab]

Not really. You do know that hakkinen's car was faster anyway? I looked really cool in tv with the double slipstream thing but in reality he would have passed Schumacher anyway.

 

[Bludd]

2009 Formula One season revised calendar

They have dropped Canada, most likely because of the track surface being crap.

 

[Phil]

Perhaps to add some bit of news as well, both Kubica and Heidfeld have been both confirmed to be staying at BMW-Sauber for the 2009 season as well. While this has been clear for Kubica, things haven't been looking too good for Heidfeld.

This also ends speculation of perhaps Alonso eyeing a seat in the BMW-Sauber team for next year.

 

[Bludd]

I think he'll stay at Renault unless something weird happens wrt. to Räikkönen at Ferrari (they fire him because he's been sucking a bit lately in race conditions) or Honda somehow manages to convince Alonso that they are awesome next season (and they give him huge wads of cash or something).

 

[Dave Baumann]

They have dropped Canada, most likely because of the track surface being crap.

Looks like commerical issues (i.e the money the venue pays to host the event) was the issue:

http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/081008151706.shtml
http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns20846.html

 

[Bludd]

Looks like commerical issues (i.e the money the venue pays to host the event) was the issue:

http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/081008151706.shtml
http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns20846.html

Seems like it, although I think Bernie may have wanted them to revamp the track surface and they said it was too expensive and Bernie said bye-bye.

 

[Gubbi]

Seems like it, although I think Bernie may have wanted them to revamp the track surface and they said it was too expensive and Bernie said bye-bye.

This is Bernie we are discussing. I'd say his concerns are spread 80% money, 20% driver safety.

Cheers

 

[Davros]

Id say 40% money 10% driver safety and 50% do i still look like Andy Warhol

 

[Bludd]

This is Bernie we are discussing. I'd say his concerns are spread 80% money, 20% driver safety.

Cheers

Yeah and track surface revamping costs money, money he doesn't want to pay but wants the venue guys to pay or local government to pay.