few Pictures... (no one interested though...)

why should steppy refrain? I dont understand that comment, I kind of agree with steppy,

speculation is all good but until we see product that isnt locked behind thick plexiglass and is perhaps in a computer running something 3D this is still just speculation.

I do want to see those pics tho, if someone emails em to me I can mirror them. Though I'm not sure how well my serv can handle getting [H]ard raped all day long.

 

Conek are those the pics that Nappe1 is talking bout???
BTW if the info is correct this card should be the avalanche 3d , but didn't that miss a product cycle cause infineon could produce the chip????
please tell me i'm really interested in bitboys

 

What i would like to know is which company has manufactured the chip. Is it still Infineon?
Which one(s) is(are) capable to produce chips at 0.13um with embedded memory ?

Thanks for the pictures.

 

Infineon yes. As you can se, the 0.18 um version is large, about same size as Parhelia, a bit hard to tell though. These are the photos nappe1 was talking about. Im not sure if nappe1 had his own camera in there also. These were taken by Tronic with Olympus 4040 ZOOM.

There might be something more coming, because our friends also had a video camera.. There might be few problems with the language, but everybody knows how to speek finnish, right?

 

uh oh finnish
now why didn't i take a finnish class instead of french class at high school

btw conek could you post a link to where you found the specs for the bitboys card...and are yoiu sure it was a avalanche 3d coz if it was i think its the card that was supposed to be sent out to reviewers

 

interesting facts

The pictures from solidnull, namely the second picture, shows two RAM chips to the left of the GPU. I looked up the part number on them, and they are SRAM chips!!!! This is a huge find...as SRAM is infinitely faster than DRAM.


Chris

 

Uhhh, its also infinitely more expensive, and comes in infinitely smaller sizes.

 

Hmmm, can anyone even begin to suggest why the board would have 7ns mems? Imbedded memory aside, does 266 DDR (assuming) not seem a lot slow even if it were only for storing and dishing out completed frames?



Oops, between thinking of the question and posting it, it may have been answered. Gonna haveta go check out sram now. This IS gonna be an all day affiar....

 

wrong schultz...infinitely more expensive yes...infinitely smaller package, NO!!!

SRAM's are much bigger than DRAMS...thats why DRAMs are so much more popular..they're easier to make/fit on smaller substrates.
I'm an electronics engineer btw

CG

 

Schultz I may have misunderstood you..if you meant infinitely smaller sizes as in MB per chip, yes you're right. AFAIK nothing over 8MB SRAM chips exist, if that.

 

Yes, I was talking about memory capacity, not package or die size.

Which is why I'm wondering why you think this is a great find. SRAM really isn't viable for consumer electronics where everything is about cost.

 

What are the suposed specs of the BBs chips? And what approach have they taken to implementing their 3D technology? Is it tile based, Z-buffer based, or do they use a painters algorithm

Do they have programmable pipes and support for branching as opposed to multipass. What does it do ?

 

I think it's a great find because if they're really using ~1MB SRAM chips on the card, that must mean they either have a helluva lot embedded (which would explain the enormous form factor of the BGA socket), or it means they've found some new compression algorithm and don't need 64 or 128MB RAM.

 

Or what you're looking at is not their desktop chip, but their PDA/handheld chip which doesn't need more than a meg or so of ram.

 

very true...i didn't know they were into the PDA thing

 

The chip itself has the size of a handheld

 

I'm just going through these very slowly one by one (I'm on DSL so I' think it's SolidNull that's having trouble, understandably).

What the deal with the Apex in the second pic? Is that HWAE'ing a Bitboys ASIC?

MuFu.

P.S. The RAM doesn't need to be quick BTW (to those that brought it up) - that board is probably cycling at about 1MHz.

 

LOL. Ok, I understand now. Plus, the pics are loading so I can see the other board with the ASIC on it. Damn, it's pretty big; no doubt that eDRAM adds about 10% to the die size once you take peripheral logic into account.

 

Re: interesting facts

Are you an electronics engineer? No offence, but if you were then you'd probably know that the card you are talking about is a reconfigurable logic, FPGA-based emulation platform.

MuFu.

 

I'm an electronics engineer yes, but a young one at that...just got my degree in fact
I'm more geared toward the telecommunications side of things.