Factor5 making exclusives on PS3 because of performance

[Wunderchu]

http://www.ga-forum.com/showthread.php?t=48729


direct link to the article with Factor 5 's comment: http://news.cnet.co.uk/gamesgear/0,39029682,39189338,00.htm

 

[V3]

Is it another Star Wars ?

 

[one]

So Factor 5 is one of 'big-time gamemakers' in this EGM article?

 

[overclocked]

Nintendo got my money because of F5(RougeLeader).
There were some other titles i wanted SFA also, but without F5 i wouldnt have got a GC at launch, but thats just me right..

Edit

I hoped for a PilowingsGC also but that never happened, Nintendo could have dumped a couple of Mario games and made one but nope

 

[Qroach]

Oh borther, he did it again this generation. He made another quote stating how one set of hardware is more powerful then another, despite the fact that the devkit CPU's with one of them is not being close to the final CPU.

Comparing one CPU in sony's devkit (cell) to a CPU in microsofts devkit (a dual CPU power PC) when he CLEARLY knows that the xbox 360 devkits CPU is NOT the final hardware. Not only that, he makes it sound like Sony is the company publishing his next title, which I think is the reason he's saying this to begin with.

So yeah, he's correct that the CPU in the xbox 360 devkit isn't as powerful as the cell chip, however this isn't the final xbox CPU. Not even close.

 

[nAo]

Well..in some general purpose (not math intensive) code the devkits CPUs could be even faster than final X360 CPU.

 

[Titanio]

Oh borther, he did it again this generation. He made another quote stating how one set of hardware is more powerful then anothers, despite the fact that he's devkit CPU's withone of them not being close to teh final CPU.

Comparing one CPU in sony's devkit (cell) to a CPU in microsofts devkit (a dual CPU power PC) when he CLEARLY knows that the xbox 360 devkits CPU is NOT the final hardware. Not only that, he makes it sound like Sony is the company publishing his next title, which I think is the reason he's saying this to begin with.

So yeah, he's correct that the CPU in the xbox 360 devkit isn't as powerful as the cell chip, however this isn't the final xbox CPU. Not even close.

You know, they can pretty reliably extrapolate based on what hardware they do have, and the (very detailed) information given to them by the Sony/MS/Nintendo. They're not playing number games like we are here It'd be pretty awful for any console manufacturer if developers didn't have a pretty good idea of their final target - they do know much much better than we how they'll compare. We say the same hand-wringing when EGM and others were reporting a power gap from developers - you gotta stop thinking they can't see beyond the state of the hardware they currently have.

It seems they have signed a deal with Sony for two original games. But it's not like Sony was their only option - I'm sure MS would gladly have signed them, or they could happily keep turning stuff out for Lucasarts - so I don't think his claims of power lack credibility just because he's now developing for Sony. I think power was a big part of the reason they went with Sony, that seems to be the claim.

 

[ims]

"think power was a big part of the reason they went with Sony, that seems to be the claim"

Apart from the star wars game on the GC, which i found really boring, last gen was their anything else they produced of note??


Cheers

Ims

 

[Bohdy]

Oh hooray! The "Factor 5 sez my console is better than yours" has begun once again. I almost thought that we would miss out on this time around.

*scours the Internet for more Eggebrecht quotes*

 

[Phil]

This must be the biggest blow to Nintendo.

 

[gamepower]

Julian Eggbrecht is improbably ,yesterday he tell us another story:

"We are extremely excited about XNA, both as a middleware provider and as a game developer. Tools are the only chance for future success in this industry, and never has this been more true than now. As we move into next-generation development, the expectations of gamers and the abilities of hardware open almost limitless possibilities for content creators. Without the right tools, developers will not be able to keep up with the pace - XNA is what the industry needs right now."
- Julian Eggebrecht
President
Factor 5 LLC "

and now:


"The choice boiled down to performance, Eggebrecht said at E3 in Los Angeles. His company has worked with Microsoft's Xbox 360, but found PlayStation 3's 3.2GHz Cell chip offered more processing power. The additional performance allows the gang at Factor 5 to more easily simulate the real world for a better game experience, he said."

It is not only the power it is the bad ideas of Factor5,they think only power
can make better ideas.I think they became more money from Sony
as from MS.

Julian Eggbrecht is a wryneck.

 

[fulcizombie]

Oh borther, he did it again this generation. He made another quote stating how one set of hardware is more powerful then anothers, despite the fact that he's devkit CPU's withone of them not being close to teh final CPU.

Comparing one CPU in sony's devkit (cell) to a CPU in microsofts devkit (a dual CPU power PC) when he CLEARLY knows that the xbox 360 devkits CPU is NOT the final hardware. Not only that, he makes it sound like Sony is the company publishing his next title, which I think is the reason he's saying this to begin with.

So yeah, he's correct that the CPU in the xbox 360 devkit isn't as powerful as the cell chip, however this isn't the final xbox CPU. Not even close.

They've become a sony second party developer ,what would expect from them to say???

Anyway if we are to compare former GC developers based on the gameplay of their games i'd rather have silicon knights(of eternal darkness and blood omen) than factor 5(of the awfull ,without any gameplay,rogue leader games).

 

[Titanio]

They've become a sony second party developer ,what would expect from them to say???

DeanoC doesn't mislead us

At least I'd like to think not

Regardless, in terms of the bigger picture, you can't really spin it in a bad way for Sony. At least this shows they're not asleep at the wheel or getting complacent about content (between this and other deals). And your hardware doesn't even need to be more powerful for F5 to, arguably, make it demonstrably more powerful

No more asking "what if?" factor5 was on a better system either..

 

[fulcizombie]

They've become a sony second party developer ,what would expect from them to say???

DeanoC doesn't mislead us

At least I'd like to think not

Regardless, in terms of the bigger picture, you can't really spin it in a bad way for Sony. At least this shows they're not asleep at the wheel or getting complacent about content (between this and other deals). And your hardware doesn't even need to be more powerful for F5 to, arguably, make it demonstrably more powerful

No more asking "what if?" factor5 was on a better system either..

Spin what "in a bad way " for Sony??
The fact that a freelancer developer has become a sony second party and will make a game for the ps3??And a freelancer developer that hasn't released a good game since...turrican and whose last game(RL3) was a pile of shit???

And if we are talking about getting "freelancer" developers to create games for your console exclusively,i don't think that MS with Epic games,bioware,silikon knights and all these Japanese guys they've recruited have done a bad job either

If MS had announced a factor-5 game nobody would give a shit....

 

[Titanio]

Spin what "in a bad way " for Sony??
The fact that a freelancer developer has become a sony second party and will make a game for the ps3??And a freelancer developer that hasn't released a good game since...turrican and whose last game(RL3) was a pile of shit???

And if we are talking about getting "freelancer" developers to create games for your console exclusively,i don't think that MS with Epic games,bioware,silikon knights and all these Japanese guys they've recruited have done a bad job either

If MS had announced a factor-5 game nobody would give a shit....

I think a lot of people expected Sony to rest on their laurels and not really do anything new in terms of developer recruitment. Going after factor5, going after smaller developers elsewhere (e.g. Ninja Theory) - it's a little different approach than what they've done before, at least in the early stages of a system's cycle (look at the kind of games they announced back at the PS2's debut - it was really just the usual suspects). I think they're serious about bagging exclusive (western) original content, which is a good thing.

The F5 games may be shite from a gameplay perspective, but they should at least look very good - indeed, look probably better than any other games on the systems if history is anything to go by - which alone is worth it for Sony. If you want to demonstrate your system's technical superiority, you'd think you couldn't go too far wrong with someone like F5. And that's probably one of the prime motivators behind them signing them up.

 

[Qroach]

It's not unexpected for a ps3 developer to praise the ps3, specifically when they are sony second party. What bothers me about Julian is he makes comments comparing the performance of the hardware he has in his hands, when he clearly knows the parts he's comparing aren't even comparable at this time. There's nothing wrong with claiming one is better then the other, but claiming devkit performance on unfinished hardware isn't the most objective stance to take.

He's not taking into account what the final specs are, even though he may know them. He saying the CPU in the current xbox 360 devkit vrs the CPU in the current PS3 devkit are comparable.

This is exactly the same nonsense he pulled 5 years ago when benchamrking performance on a Alpha xbox devkit (that contained a geforce 2 card and was just a PC) versus a final gamecube devkit (that was clocked higher then the release gamecube) and claiming a performance winner.

 

[X-AleX]

Yawn. They said pretty much the same with GameCube last generation, and we all know how it went.

 

[Bohdy]

C'mon Qroach, you and Teasy have gone over that issue many times in the past, and yet you still fail to remember that Julian DID mention that he was comparing an unfinished Xbox kit, and that performance would improve.

As for this time around, who knows, maybe he had already recieved his beta kit? It would only take his German leetness like an hour on final hardware to proclaim it shit or not, after all.

 

[X-AleX]

C'mon Qroach, you and Teasy have gone over that issue many times in the past, and yet you still fail to remember that Julian DID mention that he was comparing an unfinished Xbox kit, and that performance would improve.

As for this time around, who knows, maybe he had already recieved his beta kit? It would only take his German leetness like an hour on final hardware to proclaim it shit or not, after all.

Even Tecmo and id do not have the beta kit(which is not definitive kit), I don't see why Factor 5 should have it.

 

[_phil_]

nothing wrong with claiming one is better then the other, but claiming devkit performance on unfinished hardware isn't the most objective stance to take.

i don't believe a second that developpers get the consol specs form the internet , but i could be wrong .