There's no need to get so testy--no one is "questioning" anyone. "System power" is not a scalar quantity, so you should not interpret someone--anyone, including your favorite developer--saying that Wii is "twice" or "three times" or "1.5 times" as powerful as Gamecube as a rigorous technical statement.
Factor 5 on their Wii engine.
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I think the correct step to take in this twister game is we don't know but we are pretending we know for sure.Thats the problem here.
I never said that I agreed with him. YOU assumed I did. There is no way to know for sure the capabilities of any "closed box" console unless they released accurate docs or someone runs several benchmarks on the machine. (Thats what I am going to do with my modded Wii)
Until then we are unfortunately taking a glorified educated guess.Nothing more nothing less. It just pains me to think people are so biased towards toward nintendo to think they would put a "cloned" chipset in the Wii. While I don't think the Wii is more powerful than 360 or PS3(well its more powerful in running an OS that we do know)in floating point performance I think the Wii excels at texture manipulation effects. If programmers that are used to shader based effect program for the Wii they might have some problems making effects that are as polished.
It's not bias to look at the facts, including Nintendo's own first-party results, and draw conclusions
Based on what reasoning, and 'excels' according to what standard - matching PS360, quadrupling GC's abilities, matching PS2s, or what?
No. We've been here many a time before. There's a big difference between pie-in-the-sky guessing and piecing-together-the-facts guessing. Everything, from die sizes and dev comments to off-the-recrod remarks, tells us Wii is what we all know it to be.
See you proved my point moderator. Nothing solid just heresay and rumor.
Educated guess does not equal fact in my book.
No, but it can provide a very reliable basis. Precious few things in this life are known as absolute facts. Many a fact gets overturned. All we really have is evidence and logical conclusions based on evaluations of said evidence. All the evidence points to Wii being pretty much an overclocked GC with more RAM. One can choose to ignore the evidence and believe there's more to Wii than that, just that nobody knows about it (and Nintendo themselves aren't implementing the hardware to effect to showcase the hidden powers...) and that's one's prerogative, but there's absolutely no basis for discussion with that. If one isn't going to argue the evidence we have, and only gut feelings, the debate is reduced to stating opinions.
Well, we still don't really know why Hollywood is about twice the size of Flipper (relative to the manufacturing process). I don't think an ARM7 is that big. But whatever the reason might be, it's definitely nothing huge.
We don't know that the die is twice as big as it would otherwise be.
1. Die shrinks are never linear.
2. Measuring the area of something with a ruler that is only a few millimeters on each side has a large margin of error.
1. Die shrinks are never linear.
2. Measuring the area of something with a ruler that is only a few millimeters on each side has a large margin of error.
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