DS pre-orders hit 2 million in Japan - Shares rise 4.5%

[hey69]

1) 60fps compared to 30 fps does not mean 2 TIMES BETTER
2) one would expect maybe MORE from a dedicated handheld console that's been released 2 year AFTER a mobile/gaming devicee?
3) psp is just a portable ps2 but DS is WOW dual screen ! touchscreen !


with marginaly better power then a 2 year old mobile phone.....

 

[PC-Engine]

BTW, i might repeat myself, but the DS should not try to push this kind of games, read 3D games that need a lot of texturing.
It looks ugly as sin, no matter how people try to put it in perspective.

Why because when the game is in motion on that little 3" screen it looks really good? Seen MP:H lately? I think a few people here are becoming really concerned about how much better the NDS's 3D capablilites are turning out and from 1st generation games to boot. Nintendo is incredibly smart by releasing all different types of games including 3D ones that show off it's many features.

What I find funny is how some people are starting to put ALL the emphasis on graphics because that's pretty much the only thing the PSP has that's really worth mentioning. All IMO of course.

I only really have one question for you graphics whores though. If DC level graphics were really that important today on a portable, then why has NDS already received 2 million preorders in Japan ALONE when the 3D graphics is sub DC level???

 

[hey69]

because its a new gameboy .
isn't it true? 8)

 

[Teasy]

hey69

1) You said 20-30 FPS at best. 60fps is 2-3x faster then 20-30fps.. which is what Fox5 said.

2) What does that have to do with what you said?.. nothing.

3) What does PSP have to do with this?.. your showing your true motivation for making those comments now I think.

Asphalt Urban GT for DS is only a port of an N-Gage game. Yet it clearly looks quite a bit better on DS and runs at 2-3 times the framerate of the N-Gage version. That doesn't equal DS being only marginally better then N-Gage. It shows that its at least 3 times as powerful.

 

[PC-Engine]

because its a new gameboy .
isn't it true? 8)

Exactly, and the monochrome GB sold millions while the graphically superior competing machines with color screens all become extinct.
isn't it true? 8)

Graphics is important, that's why NDS has better graphics, better screen, etc. than GBA, but when you reach a certain threshold and balance, its importance becomes less significant.

 

[hey69]

yes thats true

 

[hey69]

yes thats true

yeah teasy, i hope nintendo gets out of the busines so the 'rest' can move along

8)

 

[Farid]

Teasy, when i say ugly as sin, i'm indeed making an overstatement. If overstatements don't please you, let's then say the graphics of this game are "kind of bad".

Pixel mess = bad, but if that's ok with you, i won't argue the issue, since our opinions differ on the subject.

edit: About the contradictory claims, i messed up my quoting, i wanted to quote you saying that DS controls and features excite you. Hence that's why i emphasize the fact AUGT is just a classic racer.

What I find funny is how some people are starting to put ALL the emphasis on graphics because that's pretty much the only thing the PSP has that's really worth mentioning.

Look, i can copy the exact same sentence, just change graphics by "touch-screen" and PSP by DS. But, will that help with the discussion? No, it won't.

BTW, Graphics, and raw power are also the only things worth mentioning for all the "new" consoles released since... ever.

I only really have one question for you graphics whores though. If DC level graphics were really that important today on a portable, then why has NDS already received 2 million preorders in Japan ALONE when the 3D graphics is sub DC level???

All DS games are not a pixel mess, so we cannot jump to a conclusion like "2M japaneses love Asphalt Urban GT pixaleted graphics".

What i'm saying, to sum up my point of view, is that games like this one (with a lot of texturing) will be used as "benchmark" in comparison with the PSP. And, obviously, it won't be in favor, at all, of the DS.
Just take a look at forums around the net, people don't stop comparing Ridge Racers and RRDS.
Games with good 2D and/or 3D that don't require extensive texturing won't look that different than PSP games. That's why i'm saying, games such as AUGT are not good publicity.
Although, people can beg to differ, and i understand that.

 

[PC-Engine]

Look, i can copy the exact same sentence, just change graphics by "touch-screen" and PSP by DS. But, will that help with the discussion? No, it won't.

Um I don't think so. How about touch screen, dual screen, stylus input, built-in IM.

BTW, Graphics, and raw power are also the only things worth mentioning for all the "new" consoles released since... ever.

Maybe that's because consoles are hooked up to televisions?

All DS games are not a pixel mess, so we cannot jump to a conclusion like "2M japaneses love Asphalt Urban GT pixaleted graphics".

We can conclude that graphics is one factor and not the most important one either especially when it comes to sales in mobile gaming.

What i'm saying, to sum up my point of view, is that games like this one (with a lot of texturing) will be used as "benchmark" in comparison with the PSP. And, obviously, it won't be in favor, at all, of the DS.

If you're a graphics whore then you'll be comparing the graphics I agree.

Just take a look at forums around the net, people don't stop comparing Ridge Racers and RRDS.

What does RR have anything to do 2 million preorders?

That's why i'm saying, games such as AUGT are not good publicity.

Actually AUGT is pretty impressive considering it's running on the NDS at 60fps. On a little 3" screen it won't really matter if there's slight pixelation. The videos of the game in motion already prove this.

 

[kopio0]

come to think of it... why there's ain any info of the ds gpu specs? or does it really contain one? from pics i seem theres a saturn feel in it. 'hacked' 2d hardware for 3d?

 

[PC-Engine]

i hope nintendo gets out of the busines so the 'rest' can move along

You mean like waiting until 2010 for PSP2 with dual screens, touch screen, and stylus input?

Maybe PSP2 will have an even bigger screen and turn itself into a PSOne with LCD attachment.

 

[Farid]

Um I don't think so. How about touch screen, dual screen, stylus input, built-in IM.

I was trying to insunuate that generalizations and simplifications can be made for both of the products. I don't want to enter in a PSP vs DS advantages contest. It would be pointless, useless and uncalled for, you know it.

What does RR have anything to do 2 million preorders?

I was summing up my opinion on the subject, that's why i took an actual example to back up my allegations.

 

[PC-Engine]

I was trying to insunuate that generalizations and simplifications can be made for both of the products. I don't want to enter in a PSP vs DS advantages contest. It would be pointless, useless and uncalled for, you know it.

And I'm pointing out that, your generalizations about consumers placing a higher priority on PSP graphics over other features that the NDS offers is flawed. You know it and I know it.

I was summing up my opinion on the subject, that's why i took an actual example to back up my allegations.

It backs up your argument but the problem is your argument doesn't jive with reality which the sales numbers show.

 

[Teasy]

Vysez

You can make most things look bad if you post really bad pics though Even then it doesn't actually look that bad in those pics, it would look bad if it was a PSP game. But its not, its a DS game..

Also I didn't say Asphalt GT was my reason for buying a DS did I? I only said its graphics looked good. So again there is no contradiction there at all.

Check out that video of the game, its not a pixelated mess at all. Its a good looking game, a lot better then you thought DS could achieve, and its only a first generation enhanced port.

What i'm saying, to sum up my point of view, is that games like this one (with a lot of texturing) will be used as "benchmark" in comparison with the PSP. And, obviously, it won't be in favor, at all, of the DS. Just take a look at forums around the net, people don't stop comparing Ridge Racers and RRDS.

I really don't get what your trying to say here. I'm not being difficult or anything, I really don't get it. You seem to be saying that Ridge Racer DS is a better looking game then Asphalt GT because it doesn't try to use lots of textures.. Please tell me that's not what your saying....

 

[Fox5]

come to think of it... why there's ain any info of the ds gpu specs? or does it really contain one? from pics i seem theres a saturn feel in it. 'hacked' 2d hardware for 3d?

I've seen specs listed for it, but I believe they're the same as the listed specs for the n64. Something like 30 megapixels and 150,000 polygons per second. I think it has some sort of 3d acceleration integrated into the cpu, though lacking in bilinear filtering.

BTW teasy, I'd say that video is horrible, it's completely blurry and squished. You can't really tell anything from it, but if I had to say about the kind of graphics it looked to have from that video I'd say one of the arcade versions of the cruis'n series. What kind of hardware did those run on anyhow?(n64 arcade hardware?)

 

[Farid]

And I'm pointing out that, your generalizations about consumers placing a higher priority on PSP graphics over other features that the NDS offers is flawed.

PC, i never said all the consumers tended to prefer PSP graphics over NDS capabilities. Don't put words in my mouth.
I said that games like this help to show the big difference between PSP and DS when it comes to graphical capabilities. And i added that it's not a good publicity.
I didn't dare to draw any conclusion about whatsoever future sales charts or anything.

It backs up your argument but the problem is your argument doesn't jive with reality which the sales numbers show.

Well, my claims were about the fact that this kind of games might give bad word to mouth advertisement for the DS with regards to the PSP.
Since neither the DS and PSP are launch yet, i don't see how sales would prove me right or wrong?
Also, to draw any kind of conclusion we would need a few years of sales and then confront the results. We will also need consumers surveys to collect datas such as "what feature/reason made them choose a handheld and not the other".

I really don't get what your trying to say here. I'm not being difficult or anything, I really don't get it. You seem to be saying that Ridge Racer DS is a better looking game then Asphalt GT because it doesn't try to use lots of textures.. Please tell me that's not what your saying....

I agree that my sum is not quite clear, to say the least.
It's not clear because i didn't want to enter in a long dissertation on the subject, since it's almost impossible to, seriously, discuss Nintendo and/or Nintendo products (Or related products like RE4) without the discussion turning sour.

If one wants to discuss Nintendo's choices or behavior, he have to either fill his discourse with IMHO and back up his claims with links/numbers/whatever to the point it became unreadable; or, he have to be so cryptic that the message itself would lost sense.
And in both case, anyway, the stuff will almost always hit the fan, and then will roll in the fanboi/hater calling, sarcasms, etc... killing any remained hopes of interesting dialogue.
It feels like the people supporting Nintendo's choices and products can't accept the idea that some people that criticize Nintendo don't hate Nintendo, at all.
Sorry for this digression, but i owed you an explanation for the way i formulate some of my anwsers in reply to your posts.

And what i meant was that normal DS games (Read games that are possible on any other hardware, like racers, for instance) with a lot of textures are really ugly and people use them as examples of the superiority of the PSP over the DS.
And i meant that a lot of people that were hyped for the DS are now changing their mind, after they saw games like RRDS and RR PSP, epecially now that the price and the battery life of the PSP are known.
I didn't say all the people, nor said that graphics were DS only advantage.
That's about all.

 

[PC-Engine]

And i meant that a lot of people that were hyped for the DS are now changing their mind, after they saw games like RRDS and RR PSP, epecially now that the price and the battery life of the PSP are known.

In response I'll just quote thop.

Nobody will buy the DS over PSP because of Ridge Racer DS, if they do i'll laugh at the fools.

In other words if a person is going to base their buying decision on RR alone then of course they're likely to get a PSP. Those people are better off with a PSP anyway since they're graphics whores with no clue as what NDS is all about. That said the RR franchise has really gone down the tubes over the years anyway with its fake cars and bland environments. Porting it to PSP isn't going to suddenly make it fresh again and drive people to rush out and buy PSPs.

 

[timlot1]

Someone form japan posted on the gamin-age forums that Sony just started letting online japanese retailers accepet pre-orders yesterday morning. And guess what they sold out in 30 minutes.

http://forums.gaming-age.com/showthread.php?t=23231

 

[PC-Engine]

Yeah all 50 of them got snatched up by desparate gadget freaks, SONY employees, and Ebay pimps.

 

[PC-Engine]

Also, the GBA2 is currently under R&D.

There in lies my problem with Nintendo. They are hacking out handhelds like crazy. Why should I get nds if I know GBA2 is coming out in about a year or two. I still beleive they threw the ds together when sony announced they were making a handheld last year. The real reason they didn't want to put the gameboy name on the DS because they were afraid it would become the next virtial boy. I'm happy sony decided to jump in, because if they didn't we would still be playing our GBAs. Competition is good.

Nintendo is always doing R&D on new hardware. If you can't accept that and are afraid of the next big thing being right around the corner, then you'll be waiting forever just like in the computer industry where the next big chip is just around the corner.