Does Cell Have Any Other Advantages Over XCPU Other Than FLOPS?

[expletive]

It is usually not possible to know what is wanted before it is sold and sometimes it is impossible because consumer cannot imagine such products to know if they desire it. For example, no regular consumers asked for computers and most said who would want a computer in the house, but now almost everyone has a computer in the house and many have more than one.

But people without vision will not understand this. They will only look for market surveys and make boring products based on surveys which is always inferior to product created and designed by imagination.

Thankyou and this 100% backs how me and Vince are thinking about the possibilities of the CELL chip in CE products. The world doesn't have to be screaming for it for companies to use it. All we need are forward thinking people that know how to use technology to their advantage.

It takes vision people, VISION.

Of course coming up with NEW ideas is always a component to creating a successful product, i'm all for moving the industry forward, but that DOESNT mean that as technologists any pie-in-the-sky application of Cell we dream up is a worthwhile endeavor for a CE company.

I agree that customers dont have to be screaming for new devices for them to useful, they werent screaming for TiVo before it was released, however, i also dont think they would have paid $150 more for it so you could watch 20 decoded streams at once on the screen either.

There's obviously a balance here. My point was that theres so much excitement around the Cell at this point sometimes the more practical side of product development gets left by the wayside. Just becuase its a new/'visionary' idea, doesnt make it a good one, one that will have (the required) mass market appeal, or even a feasible/practical one .

 

[Phil]

While this is going off-topic (maybe a topic for the site-feedback forum), I agree that insults have no place in civilized debate - yet, there are numerous examples throughout this thread and many other topics of the same kind in this very forum of members that take pleasure out of degrading topics into flamebate, provoke members discussing advantages / potential benefits that don't correspond with their own ideals. I have noticed serveral times from my own contributions that certain members take a very defensive role when something good is stated about a product that they don't necessarely like or agree with - and that without anything negative being implied on their prefered product in the first place. Just because the potential of one product is portrayed doesn't mean that the competing product is criticized - this is something many have yet to learn which also plays a role in the constant degration of topics and would reduce redundant debate / noise. As much as I hate to put it, Vince's hits one of the issues on the nail: some posters truely act like teenage boys talking about their birthday gifts*

IMO a certain maturity level on this forum should be a requirement, one that should be enforced by moderators and administrators. Closing topics without taking time to analyse the problem won't solve this problem the console boards suffer from. Having said that, I'd rather take more posts from Vince (hopefully with less arrogance/insults) over many other imature / ignorant posters that all add to the constant decrease in quality in these forums.

I'm all for a better signal over noise ratio, but there are many more issues to be solved than just the banning of a single member.


* I'm not taking sides in the above arguments but just stated that because I see it as one of the issues that can be found in most threads in these forums. A problem that could be solved by being more strict about quality enforcement and having a certain maturity-level as a requirement. We don't want this forum to be another IGN or Gaming-Age. It's Beyond3.

Just my 2 cents.

 

[nAo]

While Aaron displays a confrontational and sometimes abrasive character, abuse does not appear to be the consistent element – from what I’ve read of this thread that only manifested after people have misunderstood what he’s trying to convey, possibly because others don’t necessarily like what he putting across, regardless of whether it is accurate or not.

We agree to disagree Dave but maybe we have read different threads cause if I start to call you retard I think you would call that an abuse, wouldn't you?
I have no problems with people being abrasive, I have problems with people repeatedly insulting other people, cause that's what happened

I think people have learnt a lot more some of Aaron’s points than 90% of the arguments that occur here.

This is completely irrelevant Dave, I haven't addressed his knowledge here, I addressed his behaviour.
You can go on and say he's just abrasive, or you can admit he's not just that. In the end I really don't care about your opinion about him as long as everyone gets the same treatment here.
It's a matter of fact that this is not happening now, and I don't think you want me to waste mine and your time to quote some stuff by Aaron from the past days to prove my point, do you? (and thank god things haven't got very bad only cause other members were much more responsable than Aaron and they haven't insulted him back).
I think we both have more interesting things to do.

thank you,
Marco

 

[Dave Baumann]

We agree to disagree Dave but maybe we have read different threads cause if I start to call you retard I think you would call that an abuse, wouldn't you?
I have no problems with people being abrasive, I have problems with people repeatedly insulting other people, cause that's what happened

No, one thread in which you call someone a "tard" after they accuse you of FUD without apparantly understanding the points does not constitute a pattern.

 

[BlueTsunami]

From my perspective I see arronspink being the one thats trying to force his opinion...if the person doesn't GET what hes saying he doesn't have to call them a "tard" or some other name that degrade them.

Also from what i've read, its aronspink that was calling people names before the name calling even started, just because people didn't "get it". Yet Vince is the one that gets punished for it. I understand that he has a history but to point him out and say that aronspink's behavior is tolerable isn't right (IMO). NO one should be calling anyone names.

Note: From me reading arron posts, he has always had a sort of hostility in his posts. Its no surprise that people take his posts very negativley.

 

[Synergy34]

Cool, as soon as the mass market embraces 3d makeup simulators, Sony is all set.

Mass market meaning Department Stores, I think they would eat this product up if they can get it at a good price. This is actually a great product if you actually take the time to analyze it. Women go in to Department Stores all the time and try on makeup. This clearly isn't really a home type of product, unless SOny developes a software package to work with the PS3 Eyetoy

 

[Dave Baumann]

The point being is that other people evidently did get it. As I said, Vince has a history, so he's being watched. You don't have to agree with it, you don't have to like it, but thats the case - people that don't like it are under no obligation to stay. And that will end this part of the discusion.

 

[expletive]

Mass market meaning Department Stores, I think they would eat this product up if they can get it at a good price. This is actually a great product if you actually take the time to analyze it. Women go in to Department Stores all the time and try on makeup. This clearly isn't really a home type of product, unless SOny developes a software package to work with the PS3 Eyetoy

Theres a big difference between 'one in every home' and 'one in every bloomingdales' though.

Agreed though that it is an interesting concept, cell or not.

 

[mckmas8808]

Theres a big difference between 'one in every home' and 'one in every bloomingdales' though.

Agreed though that it is an interesting concept, cell or not.

It really pains me to know that me and you expletive agree on this topic, yet you can't just say it without a negative response attached.

One being in every house is more than likely too advanced for our culture right now. But like you and the other guy said one in Hecht's, Bloomingdales', Macy's, etc. is a great start.

Hell I wish my barbershop could get one so I could select my hairstyle before he cuts it. It's a great product that shows what can be possible through CELL.

 

[Shifty Geezer]

One being in every house is more than likely too advanced for our culture right now. But like you and the other guy said one in Hecht's, Bloomingdales', Macy's, etc. is a great start.

Hell I wish my barbershop could get one so I could select my hairstyle before he cuts it. It's a great product that shows what can be possible through CELL.

That's not CE goods though, which is, I thought, the point of the debate (though this is a really messy thread).

 

[expletive]

It really pains me to know that me and you expletive agree on this topic, yet you can't just say it without a negative response attached.

One being in every house is more than likely too advanced for our culture right now. But like you and the other guy said one in Hecht's, Bloomingdales', Macy's, etc. is a great start.

Hell I wish my barbershop could get one so I could select my hairstyle before he cuts it. It's a great product that shows what can be possible through CELL.

I think we agree on aspects of it, yes. I'm not trying to be negative, just what i feel is realistic and practical. Are you sure this makeup thing can only be done because of the cell processor?

 

[scooby_dooby]

It really pains me to know that me and you expletive agree on this topic, yet you can't just say it without a negative response attached.

One being in every house is more than likely too advanced for our culture right now. But like you and the other guy said one in Hecht's, Bloomingdales', Macy's, etc. is a great start.

Hell I wish my barbershop could get one so I could select my hairstyle before he cuts it. It's a great product that shows what can be possible through CELL.

All I know is they better have MUCH better ideas than that or they're in trouble. The make-up thing is gimmicky, and the cluttered GUI with the 50 screens is one of the ugliest most unfriendly interfaces I've ever seen.

Not saying thay don't have don't have better ideas, but from what I've seen it's very weak.

 

[blakjedi]

Havent we talked this to death before? Scientific and other processing (no reason why there cant be a DD4 with beefed up DP), weather analysis, financial modeling etc... Cell would be a very excellent chip for those things particularly when clustered especially versus the XeCPU.

 

[Joe DeFuria]

Havent we talked this to death before? Scientific and other processing (no reason why there cant be a DD4 with beefed up DP), weather analysis, financial modeling etc...

CE = Consumer electronics.

 

[mckmas8808]

All I know is they better have MUCH better ideas than that or they're in trouble. The make-up thing is gimmicky, and the cluttered GUI with the 50 screens is one of the ugliest most unfriendly interfaces I've ever seen.

Not saying thay don't have don't have better ideas, but from what I've seen it's very weak.

Again we have to resort to saying something negative about the topic before acknowledging that better things can happen. Do you wear make-up scooby? I know my mom and my girlfriend would love an application like this at some malls that they go to.

Why litterly put make-up on your face when the half a mirror can do it for you? Can you imagine how great it would be if a women's beauty salon had this built into a mirror at the shop? Why fight it you and everyone here knows it's a good idea. It would come down to the price that could hurt its acceptance.

Go gotta have vision.

 

[Joe DeFuria]

Why litterly put make-up on your face when the half a mirror can do it for you? Can you imagine how great it would be if a women's beauty salon had this built into a mirror at the shop? Why fight it you and everyone here knows it's a good idea.

Why do you presume to speak for everyone? This actually doesn't sound like a good idea idea to me.

Particularly with women...who (in my experience) want to have it actually applied to their face...they enjoy the social interaction with the associate who's actually doing the work on them. They enjoy the process as much or more than what the end result actually is.

This is much different than (again, in my experience) men, who prefer to just get the end result....the less process the better.

 

[Synergy34]

Here's another idea that takes the make-up mirrior a step futher. You are getting married and need to pick out some Tux's for yourself and your Buds. How about a full size mirror with CELL tech in it that does the same as the make-up mirror but applies it to your whole body. Now you can see how tons of different Tux's look on you rather than going into the dressing room every 10mins.

Add this idea to every clothing store in the world now. Mirrors with terminals loaded with the stores current line up of clothing items. I would also think a company like Disney could have some fun with this as well.

May not be an actual consumer product but it would at least help consumers make a choice.

 

[nelg]

It's a great product that shows what can be possible through CELL.

This is the sentiment which I object to in this thread. It sounds like a cheer-leading session and I applaud Arron bringing his experience here to return this to a rational debate. As asked in a earlier post; with the advent of GPGPU processing is Cell the only chip that can do this? Today or in the near future?

 

[mckmas8808]

As asked in a earlier post; with the advent of GPGPU processing is Cell the only chip that can do this? Today or in the near future?

Never said CELL is the only chip that can do this. All I'm saying is that this application can happen due to CELL being created. Toshiba probably wouldn't have done it had they not help make the CELL processor.

Here's another idea that takes the make-up mirrior a step futher. You are getting married and need to pick out some Tux's for yourself and your Buds. How about a full size mirror with CELL tech in it that does the same as the make-up mirror but applies it to your whole body. Now you can see how tons of different Tux's look on you rather than going into the dressing room every 10mins.

Add this idea to every clothing store in the world now. Mirrors with terminals loaded with the stores current line up of clothing items. I would also think a company like Disney could have some fun with this as well.

Again another great visionary in here. Great post Synergy34. I know personally I would look to save 20 minutes not putting on and taking off clothes.

Why do you presume to speak for everyone? This actually doesn't sound like a good idea idea to me.

Particularly with women...who (in my experience) want to have it actually applied to their face...they enjoy the social interaction with the associate who's actually doing the work on them. They enjoy the process as much or more than what the end result actually

Joe I never said every women in life on the planet Earth would like this. I'm saying it is a great idea and that I hope Toshiba can push this into department stores. The woman would obviously have the choice of not to use it.

 

[Joe DeFuria]

Joe I never said every women in life on the planet Earth would like this.

And I never said every woman in life on planet earth would not want to use it. I'm saying it doesn't seem like such a good idea...I don't care if toshiba pushes it or not...best of luck to them. I just don't think it would work.