Unfortunate
aaronspink said:
Apparently you enjoy being a tard.
It is better to make sensible statements when possible my friend than childish comments and insults. It is you who are hurt by such comments..
I was pretty specific. If I'd known you where incapabable of being intelligent I would of exactly delineated my suggestion to the computational complex of the Xenos design, but that should have been pretty f*cking obvious to anyone with half a brain. But I forgot myself and didn't realize I was conversing with the mentally challenged.
Again you resort to childing insults. This is a bad sign of your character and it is wise to change this.
As for Xenos, as I said in previous post, picking out only portion of Xenos means that Xenos is no longer Xenos but new "hack job" chip of your imagination. So it seems you are unsatisfied with Xenos as companion processor of PPE and prefer new chip using select components of Xenos. It is ok to change your mind but it is better to change mind with apology instead of insults.
A single SPE has no method of getting either data or instruction into or out of the SPE. In fact, it has no way of allowing any control what so ever. The SPE relies of a large collection of logic on die in order to move data around. Without this large collection of logic the SPE is useless.
This is very silly and wrong statement. You should not embarrass yourself like this so I ask you to read SPE documentation more closely next time.
You seem to want to make comparisons where you only include what is labelled as an SPE while leaving out the large amount of support logic that is required for the SPE to function.
I have already provided comparison with entire contents of CELL chip including areas labeled mic, xio, flexio, bei, and eib, and all 8 SPE, including "dead" SPE. Even with extra components of entire CELL and "dead" SPE, it is shown that Xenos, what you call more specialized than SPE, is still inferior choice from performance stand point and also from flexibility and capability standpoint. Please read carefully before making foolish statement(s).
We might as well add the 4th SIMD array from the Xenos design then.
Current implementations of CELL is of two versions with 8 active SPE and 7 active SPE therefore I provided numbers for both. However once again you seem unsatisfied with current implementation of Xenos and propose changes to your original proposal and to Xenos. I am curious what name will you give to this new chip of your design. I propose Spinkos. Then everyone will know who performed "hack job" of Xenos and had silly idea of using certain non-independent components of Xenos in non-functioning coprocessor to PPE.
And one again you have chosen to do a flawed comparison. Apparently you brain is incapable of understanding the issues. If you really want to make this comparison in the fashion you are trying, why don't you use as your area estimate 1/2 of the Xenos Die area, because that IS the area for the flops that are in question, that is the computational core. And that computational core also includes 33% redundancy.
So once again it seems you no longer want comparison of Xenos as companion of PPE instead of SPEs but "hack job" version of Xenos without important parts. If you only want computational part of Xenos in comparison with SPE, then we can also remove non-computation parts of SPE such as storage and control logic. This only doubles performance for die-area for both "hack job" SPE and "hack job" Xenos (so SPE still has very large performance advantage) but prevents both from actually functioning so in the end it is meaningless to make such comparisons. You must be consistent with your statements and be careful thinking before making your proposals or sensible conversation is not possible.
It would be a discourse if you could understand what is actually going on.
No. When one participant is repeatedly confused, changing minds about what to compare, does not read carefully before responding, and uses insults when unable to proceed with logic and be consistent with previous statements, then discourse is not possible regardless of how well other participant understands or not.
You make many unfortunate mistakes and it is apparent you are avoiding true reality which shows your proposal of Xenos instead of SPE was not sensible. It is ok to make mistakes, as everyone makes mistakes, but it is wise to admit mistakes than make insulting comments (I notice you have done this to others as well) and change what you said and hope no one notices. With course of action you have chosen it is you who loses because you do not learn and hence fail to grow. Do not let your pride hurt you my friend.
