We just got ours last xmas, I think a bunch of people did...the prices were good.trinibwoy said:
Do you currently own a HDTV?
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Bear in mind the habits of geeks on tech/gaming message boards may not be a close representation of the general public.trinibwoy said:
trinibwoy said:
That is kind of why I did the poll.
I think it is good to evaluate ourselves and see where "we" fall within the framework of the market. B3D posters, collectively, are more progressive early adopters who buy new technology. We are also pretty vocal.
It can be refreshing to see how we related to others on the board, but also informative to take a step back and see how our background/preferences affect our understanding to the market. e.g. Collectively we all seem to be very pro HD, and while the market is shifting that way (at least in the US) we are ahead of the curve substantially. Keeping that in mind when talking about the broader market can give us a better insight into Sony, MS, and Nintendo's market strategies and how relevant they are to various demographics.
Since 75%+ of us have HD devices, it is no wonder that Sony and MS are preaching HD. They knew we are dieing to get some good mileage out of those displays and that it is something enthusiests can see and want more of. Yet how that will resonante with the mainstream in 2 years is a different story (or not depending on sales and location). And we see out of this Nintendo sticking to EDTV. This gives us a general idea of the consumers and market they are targeting. It also can be a good reminder of not letting our own market preferences over zealously categorically pigeonhold the entire market.
This board is no here near for a acurrate poll for the public they want (mass) this is the same public that buy 300$+ gfx cards still Intel is the one who sells more, this is the same public how buy 400$+ consoles yet they only start selling well after 200$<.
And given the rising costs of games the biggest #consoles out there the better, so more than ever they need more mass market so the less repressentative this poll is.
BTW this is the kindof numbers I as expecting for this board.
And given the rising costs of games the biggest #consoles out there the better, so more than ever they need more mass market so the less repressentative this poll is.
BTW this is the kindof numbers I as expecting for this board.
Well, PC999 you can choose to downplay it, but as you say, since this board represents 'those types of people,' it shows that for the launch of 360 and PS3, indeed these consideratons are important. And just like Digitalwanderer's set is from Christmas time last year, there are going to be a lot more HD sets this year, and then the year after that, etc...
We are the people that buy these things at launch; we are fully representative. We are not the mainstream. But then again, the mainstream of three years from now won't be the mainstream of today either in terms of HDTV penetration.
In any event, these numbers are fairly telling. I'm honestly surprised to a degree, even though I felt HDTV would be the majority. I mean... nearly 10% with 1080p?
This doesn't let us make any hard calls years out or anything - and the poll was never for that purpose either I don't believe - but it's just interesting to know a little more about the forum membership itself.
We are the people that buy these things at launch; we are fully representative. We are not the mainstream. But then again, the mainstream of three years from now won't be the mainstream of today either in terms of HDTV penetration.
In any event, these numbers are fairly telling. I'm honestly surprised to a degree, even though I felt HDTV would be the majority. I mean... nearly 10% with 1080p?
This doesn't let us make any hard calls years out or anything - and the poll was never for that purpose either I don't believe - but it's just interesting to know a little more about the forum membership itself.
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RancidLunchmeat
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xbdestroya said:
Actually, I think that's a far more interesting topic for a poll. When did you first purchase a HDTV?
As 'tech savvy' as we are, an as unrepresentative of mainstream as we are, how representative of we are to the group of 'early adopters'?
If you're going to say 'OK, we represent early adopters', do we really? And if so, exactly how long of a lifespan do early adopters actually have?
Digi just got his HDTV 6 months ago, yet he's clearly going to be lumped into a group of early adopters. I got my DLP about a year 1/2 ago, yet am I'm being lumped into that same category as well.
Which is all fine and good.. but the standards for HDTV were set back in 1996. When did the first production HDTVs hit the market? We're now 10 years past the adoption of HDTV standards, yet people like Digi who bought their HDTV 6 months ago, and people like me who bought their HDTV 1 1/2 years ago are considered 'early adopters'.
That makes no sense.
It also explains your question as to why 10% of the people have 1080p TVs. For the simple fact that probably most of them weren't early adopters. They waited, didn't buy into the hype until prices went down and the higher limits were established.
I know a bunch of people who spent huge dollars on DVD players that didn't have 5.1 surround sound in them. Because that audio format was still being debated at the time of their purchase. (I waited to buy my "GREAT high quality Will Last FOREVER" Sony DVD player until 5.1 was released... oh.. yeah.. that worked out well)
I guess what I'm saying is that because we are supposedly so tech savvy, we're also cynical. So while we represent a portion of the population that would be considered early adopters, we don't represent the portion of the population that are the earliest adopters.
I think I far more telling poll would be for those people who do own HDTVs (regardless of their input) to let us know how long they've owned their sets. Combining that information (considering our particular demographic) with knowledge of when HDTVs were first made readily available, would provide far more interesting results, IMO.
RancidLunchmeat said:
Heh, well to go with that flow, of early adoption something I was talking to xbd about. I got my first HDTV 30" Samsung CRTin 2003, bought my 40000u D-VHS player in 2003, bought a DVD-Audio and SACD player in 2003, bought the cheap 26" LCD TV (formerly the bedroom TV) in January 2005, which was then replaced by the Sharp Aquos 26" LCD TV in April of this year (2006). Bought both 360s on launch day. With all of that said I look at hd-dvd and bdr as...ehh...I have seen it for years, although DVHS movies were all in 1080i.
Rancid very real and pertinent points. Indeed, just where on the early adopter scale are we? For myself, my own 1080i set was bought roughly two years ago. Incidently, it coincided with an apartment move for me. I think another trend we might begin to see is that of HDTV set purchases coinciding with a 'justifying factor' elsewhere in that individuals life. I know that in fact a lot of people buying 360's felt that was the time for them to get an HD set. Maybe for some it's the right price and the SuperBowl, maybe for some it's the right price and Christmas... but I wonder just how many HDTV purchases see their beginnings tied to some other marker in purchasers lives?
I'm not sure if this poll is indicative of the general public...since I'm think people visiting this board tends to put a little more value in HDTV than the average.
I recently got a cheapo Spectre 37" 1080p LCD (from Costco). Hooking up to it is my computer (DVI), xbox360 (component), xbox (RCA) and DirectTV (SVideo). Now, xbox360 and my computer looks awesome on the LCD (haven't touched my xbox in months), however my SD DirectTV isn't cutting it. The quality is so bad, I'm seriously consider returning the LCD and getting a Samsung 720p DLP. However, whenever I turn on my computer...I want to keep this LCD.
My brother has 60" 480p rear projection hooked up to his SD DirectTV, and it doesn't look bad, though it's a little washed out. I'm not sure if the problem is SD on LCD or DirectTV on LCD. What I'm seeing a lot of compression artifacts and the color is crap. Playing DVD through my computer is amazing. Even without HD source, it looks good, but I guess you wouldn't need a 1080p display.
I don't consider myself as an audio/video junkie. I think myself as the average consumer. And if I'm any indication, I would say...720p display will probably be the favorite. And all the hoopla about HD-DVD and BR is overrated.
I recently got a cheapo Spectre 37" 1080p LCD (from Costco). Hooking up to it is my computer (DVI), xbox360 (component), xbox (RCA) and DirectTV (SVideo). Now, xbox360 and my computer looks awesome on the LCD (haven't touched my xbox in months), however my SD DirectTV isn't cutting it. The quality is so bad, I'm seriously consider returning the LCD and getting a Samsung 720p DLP. However, whenever I turn on my computer...I want to keep this LCD.
My brother has 60" 480p rear projection hooked up to his SD DirectTV, and it doesn't look bad, though it's a little washed out. I'm not sure if the problem is SD on LCD or DirectTV on LCD. What I'm seeing a lot of compression artifacts and the color is crap. Playing DVD through my computer is amazing. Even without HD source, it looks good, but I guess you wouldn't need a 1080p display.
I don't consider myself as an audio/video junkie. I think myself as the average consumer. And if I'm any indication, I would say...720p display will probably be the favorite. And all the hoopla about HD-DVD and BR is overrated.
xbdestroya said:
To answer your question...I got the HDTV LCD because after getting a 360, I felt it's time to upgrade. Much of my computer needs was satified by a Nec 21" CRT. Which looks better than any LCD. Even with my new HDTV, I'm not sure if I'm willing to pay more for HD content (DirectTV HD).
In short, because of the xbox360.
i have no tv (havent had one for years, ok u miss seeing stuff like 9/11 but at the time, watching it u just see misinformation anyways, its better digested months afterwards on video )
i do watch heaps of films on the computer monitor though (1080p), im thinking of getting a ps3 when it comes out mainly just for this, + will pick up another 1080p monitor (i dont play games, though i may rent a few to see what the hypes about)
)i do watch heaps of films on the computer monitor though (1080p), im thinking of getting a ps3 when it comes out mainly just for this, + will pick up another 1080p monitor (i dont play games, though i may rent a few to see what the hypes about)
zed said:
LOL. You're just like one of my friend. She doesn't watch any tv neither. I could never understand people who don't watch TV. It's abnormal! I mean TV is the center of the universe. It's there to educate and inform, to entertain and to let us see the world through a rose colored glass.
edit: i meant this as joke...Coz, you shouldn't spend most of your time watching tv. You should spend it promoting Beyond3d.com. You must preach about the wholesome goodness of Beyond3d.com, convert the savages.
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RancidLunchmeat
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NucNavST3 said:
Heehe... Gonna snip me? I'm gonna snip you!
To be serious, I think that is tremendously valuable information that isn't being collected by this current survey.
What you've told us is important twofold:
1) I believe that even a hardline 'early adopter' measurement would include you for HDTV.
2) You most certainly fall into the category of 'early adopter' for the 360.
That's really actually extremely important information. Because I think you belong in both categories, while I do not believe that myself or Digi belong in the early adopter category for HDTV... Yet... Well, shit.. we DO actually because we are purchasing the products before they are mainstream. So essentially, you are "EARLIER" adopter while Digi and myself are just "EARLY" adopters.
I think the ramifications of that speak volumes.
NucNavST3 said:
NucNav you are nothing if not master of your own audio/video destiny, I'll grant you that.
And that's right! ...the 5-10 minute rule will never fail you.
@Rancid: Ok you're starting to get a littletoo excited over some of this data. I followed your thoughts through the last iteration, but I'm not sure I get where you're headed now. Are you about to drop your 'Unified Theory of Electronics Purchasing Behavior' on us? It's science run amok!!
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xbdestroya said:
Well.. I certainly agree with the sentiment that purchasing an HDTV correlates to other benchmarks in those individual consumer's lives.
But... We're trying to remove that as a factor, damn it! We can't possibly try to do any sort of meaningful analysis if we attempt to factor in every single benchmark of importance to every single consumer!
That's why we use means and medians!
Sure.. It'd be interesting to know how many people purchased an HDTV to watch the Superbowl in HD.. But does that knowledge actually help us at all for this analysis?
No.
Plus, by itself, it doesn't tell us whether or not it had any impact on the console they were purchasing. Only that they bought an HDTV for a reason OTHER than their gaming console and then maybe they made their gaming console decision based upon their prior HDTV purchase.
See? It gets too complicated.
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TrungGap said:
And this is interesting in this discussion.. HOW?
If anybody can get the statistics of the consumers in NA who don't even own a TV and somehow demonstrate that such a demographic is important to the sale of console games, then.. more power to you.
Until then, this information is completely meaningless, shouldn't have even been offered by anybody who understands what we are trying to accomplish, and certainly shouldn't be factored in to any sort of analysis on the issue.
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xbdestroya said:
I'm not sure what you mean, can you please explain?
If you've found a flaw in my logic, I would love for you to present it so that I can either refute it or admit that I've made a miscalculation in my estimates.
RancidLunchmeat said:
Rancid, that was a joke man.
You really *are* starting to scare me now!Anyway I want to highlight a snippet of yours from above, because I think it would help *me* understand where you're headed here.
...who understands what we are trying to accomplish...
What are we trying to accomplish?
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