Diablo 4 [XO, XBSX|S, PC, PS4, PS5, XGP]

[Cyan]

I haven’t upgraded anything either. Trying to save materials. Haven’t socketed any gems either mostly because I don’t want to deal with inventory management.

sooner or later, you will end up doing inventory management. It's been always like that, although in D2, which had many other more complicated gameplay features that fortunately have been improved/removed in Diablo 3 and 4, once you got a Legendary it was mostly about either equipping it or getting a better version of it. Now the occultist makes legendaries a bit more useful in the long run but yeah, you need to get used to that.

I started a Druid, for a future -when campaign is completed- character. Werewolf was my fav build in D2, even wrote a guide on it back in the day. I am curious whether all the dungeons I completed with the Rogue appear completed when you start a new char or not.

Diablo 2 druid had pets, it was very cool. I might go with that.. Either that or a variant of the Diablo 2 Overlord Necromancer. The point is, I want to build a more strategical character, to play with a mouse on a single hand, the left hand for keyboard -Esc stuff, J for journal, and little more.

Glad to see that the Druid can be still pretty even if he/she is a bit overweight. I have more of a sportsman build, but this is another nice detail from Blizzard -still, it'd be awesome to control the body build of your character-.

 

[Scott_Arm]

@Cyan I just use a regular mouse with two side buttons but remapped all of the keys. I have no idea why anyone would want to use 1-4 or 1-5 for abilities, or whatever it is. I used W,A,S,D,F for abilities, Q for heal , but I could have gone A,S,D,F,G for abilities. I figure having the same hand position as FPS or typing is the way to go. It makes it much easier to reach keys higher and lower. So many keys are easy to reach that way, and I find it's a lot better than trying to use mouse buttons with your thumb. This number row layout is some legacy holdover instead of optimizing for ... you know ... how people have already learned to use a keyboard.

 

[orangpelupa]

hmm

diablo 4 on PC
- my RTX 3070 is still in RMA
- doesnt support local play

diablo 4 on XSS
- lower resolution and frame rate
+ support local play
+ cheaper
- requires xbox live gold for MP stuff

hmm hmm decision decision.

 

[Scott_Arm]

hmm

diablo 4 on PC
- my RTX 3070 is still in RMA
- doesnt support local play

diablo 4 on XSS
- lower resolution and frame rate
+ support local play
+ cheaper
- requires xbox live gold for MP stuff

hmm hmm decision decision.

Local play on xbox? You mean it's not always online like on pc? That doesn't seem right, but if that's what you mean, then I'd go xbox. The lag etc is stupid considering I'm playing through everything solo.

 

[Scott_Arm]

I totally re-did my build based on the legendaries I've been picking up and now the game is ultra easy mode. A couple times I've hit weird spots where I suddenly couldn't do any damage. I don't think I like these item based games anymore. The difficulty scaling can be all over the place based purely on rng of items. Still it's only been a couple of times that my damage dropped off hard and I started having trouble. Overall I'd say this game is super casual on your first play through, even on world tier 2.

 

[orangpelupa]

Local play on xbox? You mean it's not always online like on pc? That doesn't seem right, but if that's what you mean, then I'd go xbox. The lag etc is stupid considering I'm playing through everything solo.

Unfortunately it's always online local play. 2p 1tv.

 

[Scott_Arm]

Unfortunately it's always online local play. 2p 1tv.

Oh, local co-op. Now i get it.

 

[Cyan]

@Cyan I just use a regular mouse with two side buttons but remapped all of the keys. I have no idea why anyone would want to use 1-4 or 1-5 for abilities, or whatever it is. I used W,A,S,D,F for abilities, Q for heal , but I could have gone A,S,D,F,G for abilities. I figure having the same hand position as FPS or typing is the way to go. It makes it much easier to reach keys higher and lower. So many keys are easy to reach that way, and I find it's a lot better than trying to use mouse buttons with your thumb. This number row layout is some legacy holdover instead of optimizing for ... you know ... how people have already learned to use a keyboard.

ultimately, your play style is a super unique way of playing Diablo. I don't know about anyone who plays like you. As mentioned in another thread, even when I played games only with a keyboard, I used the classic directional keys -worked wonders for racing games- and I can't get used to WASD. Do you never get any of those keys mixed up?

A colleague, and even almost friend, of mine, plays fighting games with a keyboard, 'cos of the precise input. It's admirable how he deals with the directional inputs for special moves. That's how I started playing fighting games 'cos I performed those step by step, but translating it to joysticks meant physically rotating the stick and I learnt that from my best friend IRL, who had consoles.

I totally re-did my build based on the legendaries I've been picking up and now the game is ultra easy mode. A couple times I've hit weird spots where I suddenly couldn't do any damage.

that's typical Diablo. For instance, even if you had the uber famous -in Diablo 2- and legendary Buriza-Do-Kanyon, any Cold Enchanted or cold immune enemy transformed into a pita, that's where damage from other items or sources was necessary. You had to compensate for that. That's not the case now I think. Venom enchanted enemies aren't immune to poison in Diablo 4, at least in my experience.

Items and the skills you use make a huge difference, hence you are usually looking for best gear. Once you complete the campaign there are new items and difficulties....

 

[Malo]

ultimately, your play style is a super unique way of playing Diablo. I don't know about anyone who plays like you. As mentioned in another thread, even when I played games only with a keyboard, I used the classic directional keys -worked wonders for racing games- and I can't get used to WASD. Do you never get any of those keys mixed up?

Using WSAD for Diablo is very common, though most use 1,2,3,4 as mapped currently. Very few people use directional keys and a vast majority of PC gamers over time have had no issues with WSAD.

 

[Scott_Arm]

ultimately, your play style is a super unique way of playing Diablo. I don't know about anyone who plays like you. As mentioned in another thread, even when I played games only with a keyboard, I used the classic directional keys -worked wonders for racing games- and I can't get used to WASD. Do you never get any of those keys mixed up?

A colleague, and even almost friend, of mine, plays fighting games with a keyboard, 'cos of the precise input. It's admirable how he deals with the directional inputs for special moves. That's how I started playing fighting games 'cos I performed those step by step, but translating it to joysticks meant physically rotating the stick and I learnt that from my best friend IRL, who had consoles.


that's typical Diablo. For instance, even if you had the uber famous -in Diablo 2- and legendary Buriza-Do-Kanyon, any Cold Enchanted or cold immune enemy transformed into a pita, that's where damage from other items or sources was necessary. You had to compensate for that. That's not the case now I think. Venom enchanted enemies aren't immune to poison in Diablo 4, at least in my experience.

Items and the skills you use make a huge difference, hence you are usually looking for best gear. Once you complete the campaign there are new items and difficulties....

I learned to type correctly probably thirty years ago ... yikes. Also have been playing fps games with WASD for probably the same amount of time. Don't really make mistakes. Unless you map CTRL to something, I'd say having abilities on ASDFG is probably the way to go (for right handed mouse), because ASDF is where your fingers naturally sit if you know how to type, and it makes the keys above and below very easy to hit. I'd map the abilities most used to least used in the order of FDSA. Spamming pinky finger isn't great.

Any time I lift my hand it goes naturally back to ASDF and trying to keep my fingers on 1234 just feels super unnatural.

 

[Cyan]

Using WSAD for Diablo is very common, though most use 1,2,3,4 as mapped currently. Very few people use directional keys and a vast majority of PC gamers over time have had no issues with WSAD.

do you use WASD too? I can get easily confused since I always avoided WASD, since it didn't exist when I had my first PC and got used to directional keys all the time.

As for 1, 2, 3, 4, my Logitech mouse has 6 lateral buttons mapped 1 to 6 by default. I used a similar approach with my 12 button Sharkoon Drakonia, but it's a different layout. With the Sharkoon I assigned -not default on this mouse- 1, 2, 3 to the thumb -right handed- and 4 is on the very other side of the mouse. Middle mouse to refill potions, left wheel button is the evade skill, right wheel button is the character window, then M is the map, is in another button, and I left a button unused, for now... maybe J -the journal-

Still, like I did with Divinity Original Sin, now I am playing the entire game with the mouse.

 

[Cyan]

I learned to type correctly probably thirty years ago ... yikes. Also have been playing fps games with WASD for probably the same amount of time. Don't really make mistakes. Unless you map CTRL to something, I'd say having abilities on ASDFG is probably the way to go (for right handed mouse), because ASDF is where your fingers naturally sit if you know how to type, and it makes the keys above and below very easy to hit. I'd map the abilities most used to least used in the order of FDSA. Spamming pinky finger isn't great.

Any time I lift my hand it goes naturally back to ASDF and trying to keep my fingers on 1234 just feels super unnatural I had my first computer

30 years..., time flies like an arrow. I had my first computer back in very late 1995-early 1996. 100% of the games I played used directional keys and could never get used to WASD, if I game used WASD I immediately changed it to directional.

I know the keyboard layout by rote, 'cos I studied an administrative career and we had 1 hour of typewriting every day, from monday to friday, then in the 2nd year 1 hour from monday to thursday, in 3rd year 1 hour from monday to wednesday, until 4th year -the 5th year we didnt study it- where we had 1 hour from monday to tuesday.

My negative to learn WASD did lead me to having issues with it -once I lift any finger, a little variation in movement is a disaster for me, I lose track of the keys so easily-.

'Cos of having to study typewriting for a few years, my natural way of placing the fingers has always been left hand fingers for A, S, D, F, right hand for J, K, L, Ñ, then thumbs on the space button. I guess A, S, D, F would work very well for me now that you mention it, for Diablo 4 skills, but WASD for movement....the unnatural placement of fingers is a killer in my case.

I learnt to type using a similar machine to this, with a carriage return and stuff, then we started using an electronic typewriter.

 

[Malo]

do you use WASD too? I can get easily confused since I always avoided WASD, since it didn't exist when I had my first PC and got used to directional keys all the time.

I've always used it for games, probably since Doom was released, maybe sooner. For Diablo it's different since direction is controlled by mouse and I'm used to 1234 for powers. Or I use a controller as well for Diablo, when playing on my TV.

Using directional keys means I'd have to move my keyboard way to the left, which won't work for me. And not having access to number keys, shift, ctrl, alt etc would be very detrimental to playing many games.

 

[Scott_Arm]

30 years..., time flies like an arrow. I had my first computer back in very late 1995-early 1996. 100% of the games I played used directional keys and could never get used to WASD, if I game used WASD I immediately changed it to directional.

I know the keyboard layout by rote, 'cos I studied an administrative career and we had 1 hour of typewriting every day, from monday to friday, then in the 2nd year 1 hour from monday to thursday, in 3rd year 1 hour from monday to wednesday, until 4th year -the 5th year we didnt study it- where we had 1 hour from monday to tuesday.

My negative to learn WASD did lead me to having issues with it -once I lift any finger, a little variation in movement is a disaster for me, I lose track of the keys so easily-.

'Cos of having to study typewriting for a few years, my natural way of placing the fingers has always been left hand fingers for A, S, D, F, right hand for J, K, L, Ñ, then thumbs on the space button. I guess A, S, D, F would work very well for me now that you mention it, for Diablo 4 skills, but WASD for movement....the unnatural placement of fingers is a killer in my case.

I learnt to type using a similar machine to this, with a carriage return and stuff, then we started using an electronic typewriter.

Yah, I learned on a typewriter as well.

I think there are old-school quake players that use ASDF for movement. A is left, S is back, D is forward and F is back. I'm not sure I'd want pinky finger strafing. Some bound forward to a mouse button to hold, and then used ASD as LEFT, BACK, RIGHT. It's an attempt to make switching between back and forth faster because movement is so important in that game. Ultimately I think since you know how to type you can learn any keybinds pretty quickly. You just have to stick with it and it'll probably only take you a few hours. I think it'd actually be easier than trying to use a huge number of side buttons on a mouse while managing to move your cursor around in hectic fights.

 

[AlphaWolf]

On pc I bind W to movement and use the mouse button for primary attack.

 

[Scott_Arm]

On pc I bind W to movement and use the mouse button for primary attack.

I bound right click to move, and left left click as attack + move. I set my core skill as a key (W). It's nice to be able to move without attacking by accident, but the attack + move is nice if you're melee and you're chasing something down with basic attacks.

 

[Cyan]

having loads of fun with the Rogue again. I upgraded some gems -these are very important- and extracted the aspects of both my rings, which were the gear with the best modifier.

I used one of those aspects on a bow? @Malo Can I reuse that aspect on any other gear I find from now on?

btw, I got 2 legendary bows from the curiosities vendor in a row, one after the other. Best luck I've ever had in a Diablo game. Also it was my first try

 

[Malo]

I used one of those aspects on a bow? @Malo Can I reuse that aspect on any other gear I find from now on?

If it was an aspect from your dungeon codex then you can do that as many times as you like.

If it was an aspect that you extracted from another legendary then you can't use it again. Anything that's Imprinted labelled on your legendaries can only be overwritten with something else.

If you find a new weapon at some point you'd like to use and want that specific affix, you'll need to have found a legendary with that affix, or use the dungeon version.

 

[orangpelupa]

Playing on Xbox series s

1. Buggy account linking, solved by force closing Diablo game
2. Looks surprisingly sharp enough
3. Runs surprisingly smoothly
4. The visuals looks a bit downgraded to pc
5. The HDR setting is borked. Cannot set the slider to exactly 800 nits
6. It's just me or it is more zoomed in than pc?

Anyway, turns out that by using male character made me gets confused who is speaking. The same problem I got with cyberpunk2077.

I almost never speak anyway in Diablo, so meh. Not worth the hassle to create a new character

Edit:

Hahahaha my luck... My lg CX oled auto dims all the bloody time at night and inside dungeons.

I wonder why it didn't auto dim aggressively like this when I played on pc... Maybe due to a new fw update a few days ago...

 

[Cyan]

If it was an aspect from your dungeon codex then you can do that as many times as you like.

If it was an aspect that you extracted from another legendary then you can't use it again. Anything that's Imprinted labelled on your legendaries can only be overwritten with something else.

If you find a new weapon at some point you'd like to use and want that specific affix, you'll need to have found a legendary with that affix, or use the dungeon version.

well, that aspect has been extracted from a legendary. I have another one that I want to keep - for the late game-, since it is a legendary item with an item that doesn't break your stealth when you use a poison trap, I might go all poison in that case.

Spent loads of money on doing changed to my character, I have very little money now. But it was worth it.

Can you use aspects on sacred and ancestral items? If so, do they break their native bonus like with legendaries?

On a different note, playing the druid I noticed that all the dungeons I had already beaten with the Rogue appear non completed. I sated my curiosity there. Gotta complete the campaign.

Completing the campaign is very beneficial for any other characters you might create, or so they say. Aside from the Rogue, my idea is to have a Druid, a Necro -dunno about which build-, and a fire -of this I am sure, shall find the way to make it work- Sorceress.