Current Generation Games Analysis Technical Discussion [2022] [XBSX|S, PS5, PC]
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And the different quality settings, which according to DF differ in that the PS5 version actually dials down more then the PC version does. Anyway, ports of exclusive games to gauge hardware performance and efficiency.....
If you give me the settings he used, I can test it out.
davis.anthony
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Just looked at memory use on my 3060ti using GPU-Z.
At native 1080p max settings with no ray tracing GPU-Z reports the following:
Max VRAM used: 6786GB
Now same max settings but with ray tracing maxed out (So very high reflections, very high geometric detail and object range slider at 10)
Max VRAM used: 6814GB
So ray tracing doesn't do a fat lot for VRAM savings and I still had a comfortable amount of head room on my 8GB 3060ti.
I might test memory use at a higher resolution......be right back.
EDIT: Tested at a fixed 2715x1527 max settings and max RT.
Max VRAM used: 6860GB
At native 1080p max settings with no ray tracing GPU-Z reports the following:
Max VRAM used: 6786GB
Now same max settings but with ray tracing maxed out (So very high reflections, very high geometric detail and object range slider at 10)
Max VRAM used: 6814GB
So ray tracing doesn't do a fat lot for VRAM savings and I still had a comfortable amount of head room on my 8GB 3060ti.
I might test memory use at a higher resolution......be right back.
EDIT: Tested at a fixed 2715x1527 max settings and max RT.
Max VRAM used: 6860GB
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They're actually pretty similar to DF's so probably easier (and potentially more accurate) just to use those:
| PS5 Performance RT | PS5 Fidelity | PC Optimised Settings | |
|---|---|---|---|
| Texture Quality | High | High | High |
| Anisotropic Filtering | 4x | 4x | 8x |
| Shadow Quality | High | High | High |
| Ambient Occlusion | SSAO | SSAO | SSAO |
| RT Reflections Resolution | High | High | High |
| RT Reflections Geo Quality | High | High | High |
| RT Reflections Object Range | 7/8 | ~10 | 8 |
| Hair Quality | Medium-High | High | High |
| Level of Detail | High | High | High |
| Crowd Density | Low-Medium | Medium-High | Low |
| Traffic Density | Unknown | Unknown | Low |
| Depth of Field Quality | Medium/High | Medium/High | Low |
davis.anthony
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But PS5 isn't on par with those GPU's, his weak CPU is just making it seem that way.
My 3060ti at 2.1Ghz overclock on the core isn't far off either of those GPU's and I'm getting a locked 60fps in the intro sequence with the same CPU NXG uses.
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Ok, but I need to know the DRS scaling target framerate they used.
davis.anthony
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I can test that be right back......
EDIT
Copying your video it took my system 5.86 seconds to load that texture on an 8Gb 3060ti.
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3060Ti being ballpark 2080Ti performance (i have a 2080Ti), thats seriously impressive. Thats one generation apart and in the lowest end ampere vs highest end ampere TI spectrum (there is no 3050Ti on desktop as far im aware).
davis.anthony
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- Ryzen 5 3600 stock but it boosts to 4175Mhz during Spiderman
- Corsair DDR4 at 3400Mhz
- NVME drive at 3.5GB/s
What CPU do you have?
Maybe because you used something to record the screen and it maybe took some cycles away from somewhere?
Test it without the screen recording.
No.. it happens the same whether recording or not.
I have a 3900X @ 4.4hz all cores, 32GB DDR4 3600, and a 7GB/s NVMe....
Wait, what resolution are you at? I'm running 3840x1600 ultrawide there.
davis.anthony
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I'm at native 1080p but as the assets are decompressed by the CPU I doubt that's an issue.
I wonder if it's the added CCX latency you'll have as you'll have more on that 3900x?
The game is really sensitive to CC latency on older Ryzens.
I'll and use Nvidia DRS to get me to 4k.
Yea, I tested, resolution makes no difference for me.
Hmm.. could be? I dunno. That wouldn't explain why NXGamer is able to get his 2070 with a 2700x to not have the issue regardless...
This is strange. I know I'm running PCIe 3.0 16x as well.. I've tried all different types of combinations and settings.
Maybe I should restart and check my RAM settings.
davis.anthony
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@Remij it took 11 seconds for that texture to load when using native 4k on my 3060ti via Nvidia DRS.
This game is broken when it comes to VRAM use, now I would expect the game to use noticeably more VRAM when at native 4k vs native 1080p.
But look at my numbers:
Max quality settings and max ray tracing settings were used:
I would expect to see much larger increases in VRAM use moving through the resolutions than that, the game doesn't seem to want to use more than 6.8-7GB of VRAM regardless of the resolution being used on my system.
So what I suspect is happening is as the resolution increases the game doesn't want to increase the VRAM usage to accommodate the higher resolution frame buffer so it has to sacrifice something in order to accommodate said larger frame buffer, and this results in less VRAM for textures which results in the lower quality MIPS being used that we're seeing.
This game is broken when it comes to VRAM use, now I would expect the game to use noticeably more VRAM when at native 4k vs native 1080p.
But look at my numbers:
Max quality settings and max ray tracing settings were used:
- At native 1080p max VRAM used was 6814GB
- At a fixed 2715x1527 max VRAM used was 6860GB
- At native 2160p max VRAM used was 7059GB
I would expect to see much larger increases in VRAM use moving through the resolutions than that, the game doesn't seem to want to use more than 6.8-7GB of VRAM regardless of the resolution being used on my system.
So what I suspect is happening is as the resolution increases the game doesn't want to increase the VRAM usage to accommodate the higher resolution frame buffer so it has to sacrifice something in order to accommodate said larger frame buffer, and this results in less VRAM for textures which results in the lower quality MIPS being used that we're seeing.
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Michael Thompson
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So, what I said then, glad we agree.
The fact is, if you have more Vram with RT (as in my RX6800) it does not happen. Changing code, memory allocation pools etc etc will help/resolve it. But many of you here also state consoles are just PC's, if so why would changes need to be made to the source code?
Michael Thompson
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IT IS IN THE VIDEO:-
And, I also state the same thing in the video as late mip loading should not happen at this level, which again I show IN the video at that point.
Its a port of a game designed specifically around the PS5's setup, architecutre and API's/software. Its generally more in-line to compare multiplatform titles to gauge system performance. Or benchmarks but they dont exist on PS5.
Doesn't look like it to me....
Again, I told you CERTAIN mips load on time, and others late.... and others... never... within the context of scenes playing out.
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