Guilty Bystander
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Well you started it by saying it's CGI which it isn't.
Realtime videos and CGI are two entirely different things in my book.
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Well you started it by saying it's CGI which it isn't.
Realtime videos and CGI are two entirely different things in my book.
No you started it by coming in and mentioning how the "realtime" demos of Motorstorm and Killzone are something we should look at if we want to see "games" with nice smoke effects and such.Guilty Bystander said:
To which i responded that those CGI videos should not be taken as example for next gen games, until we see real games that look like that, which still hasn't happened.
Now stop posting nonsense coated in sugar to make it look like you know what you're talking about, cause you don't.
Master-Mold
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Guilty Bystander said:
I think you are on the wrong side of this discussion.
Guilty Bystander
Newcomer
Sure I don't.
You don't even know what CGI is if it won't hit on the head that's why you still call it CGI videos.
NRP said:
You thinks its ridiculously obvious and I thinks its ridiculously obvious, but there are still some people who don't. In fact to be honest im not completely convinced myself.
I think the X360 might genuinly look and run better than the best PC's (due to very poor optimisation on the PC side) however I would just like to know for sure if that the case because from what I have seen and heard so far, the evidence is far from conclusive.
FYI, here's a benchmark for the GTX 512 SLI:
http://www.tbreak.com/reviews/article.php?cat=grfx&id=412&pagenumber=5
The developer of killzone jon-bartz i believe said in an ign interview its only a representation of gameplay and that it is not infact real time but cgi . There is a cgi artist on the forum La-YOshi I believe is the spelling that has taken the time to explain why some things in the video could only be cgi . I sugest you take time to search for his posts and learn .
You have diffrent things .
IN game visuals (any game )
Game engine cut scenes (a cut scene that has no ai or physics and thus has slightly higher quality)
Real time demos (Like mgs4 where its prescripted so no ai or physics and the graphics on the screne are planed out as to keep requirements as controlled as possible)
Cgi (killzone stuff thats done on render farms)
Guilty Bystander said:Sure I don't.
You don't even know what CGI is if it won't hit on the head that's why you still call it CGI videos.
You obviously don't. And you wouldn't even have to if you read these pages well enough. These videos were proved as CGI a loooong time ago.
But if believing they're realtime makes you feel better, just ignore me. But then you'll have to ignore pretty much everyone on these boards, cause you're still one of the 2 or 3 insane guys on here who actually believe those videos were realtime, even after the developers themselves said they were CGI.
Guilty Bystander
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From my understanding it was a realtime video which was only running 5fps on the alpha kit.
Which then was edited use some film effects by some CGI company (forgot the name but I remember reading about it in the Edge) to make it look a 60fps video.
With Motorstorm Evolution didn't agrea or disprove with the rumours about using the same methods as Killzone which can mean it could be either.
Nope only the Killzone video was proved to be edited by a CGI company.
Read edited not fabricated.
All other videos like F1, Heavenly Sword, Killingday, I-8, Warhawk were all in-game.
Tedd Price of Incognito (developer of I-8) said the video showed at the PS3 E3 conference was footage in-game played by one of their developers.
Guilty Bystander
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Whoops I mean Insomniac obviously
A friends of mine actually worked in production on the PS3 Killzone video, and if you want to ask she work for a anmation production company not a game developer.
I found this years E3 very funny about an hour after everyone went mad over the Killzone vid in my job i got an email from my friend, she moved back to scotland a couple of years ago to say had i seen the Killzone video they had been working on. Up until that point everyone, me included thoughit was realtime. Sad really, if you actually looks at it in depth it is rather obvious it was all CG but the hype machine had by then taken off. Sony really are master of that. If one thing has put me off buying a PS3 and getting a 360 it was this whole incident. The fact then Sony never properly explain wat they were showing etc. is IMHO appalling. I mean there is generating hype for your next box fair enough and there is straight foward bullshit. Sony fall into the later camp as far as I am concerned.
Phil
I found this years E3 very funny about an hour after everyone went mad over the Killzone vid in my job i got an email from my friend, she moved back to scotland a couple of years ago to say had i seen the Killzone video they had been working on. Up until that point everyone, me included thoughit was realtime. Sad really, if you actually looks at it in depth it is rather obvious it was all CG but the hype machine had by then taken off. Sony really are master of that. If one thing has put me off buying a PS3 and getting a 360 it was this whole incident. The fact then Sony never properly explain wat they were showing etc. is IMHO appalling. I mean there is generating hype for your next box fair enough and there is straight foward bullshit. Sony fall into the later camp as far as I am concerned.
Phil
scooby_dooby
Legend
Ya, I had like 30 minutes when I was like "Holy CRAP PS3 is amazing!!"
Then I was like...."wait a sec...I just watched spiderman the movie....with GT4 cars inlayed...wtf was that?"
Then I was like...."wait a sec...I just watched spiderman the movie....with GT4 cars inlayed...wtf was that?"
Demonstration of the Blu-ray interactive capabilities, maybe?scooby_dooby said:
Mixing live action footage with interactive high quality 3D graphics... I'm not saying that's the direction I hope future games are to take, but as an extra content in BR movie discs that would be cool.
seismologist
Regular
lefizz said:
So Your going to punish Sony by making an uneducated purchase of what may end up being the inferior system anyway? Yeah that'll show them.
scooby_dooby
Legend
Or...he's rewarding himself by enjoying a full year of next-generation gaming
SynapticSignal
Banned
Guilty Bystander said:
if it was 5fps, then video edited to make 60 fps, this is NOT realtime
this is prerendered
so for the 60 fps you need a 1200% increase, I doubt that ps3 is 12x the beta kit, or with some optimizations, 10x
so I bet that killzone will have some huge graphical downgrade, and I guess a 30 locked fps
this can be feasible
now, please don't turn this thread in a "woah KZ2 OWNZ 4 TEH WIN"
scooby_dooby
Legend
SynapticSignal said:
Well, heavenly sword was around 5FPS in some scenes, and has since become playable.
KZ was never in-engine, it's pre-rendered CG. How simple can it get when Sony says: "This is a representation of the game" pretty freakin obvious it's NOT the actual game.
