CELL will be there in PS3!

[chaphack]

And again show me where I said ps3 would be a runaway success, oh wait you can't

You didnt? Oh well, i thought by your tone, you did...oh well sorry.

Dreamcast was doing fine prior to PS2 thank you very much, Sega pulled the plug. And now your changing the subject, this was the topic at hand.

DC was struggling in Japan. Why am i changing the subject? You are the one who brought DC into this.

Which you already got proved wrong with, ps2 is screwed hardware and yet it's beating everything. So, mindshare/brand is making ps2 win, got a point to argue against that?

Oh man....just because Sony got lucky with PS2(late competition), doesnt mean they will with PS3... Just because the Chicago Bulls were unbeatable years ago, doesnt mean they will steamroll everyone everytime.

 

[Phil]

BTW; forgot to add this in the last post about performance:

Performance will be more important for Nintendo or Microsoft because they are compeeting against the mindshare that Sony has. Less powerful hardware will only come to a disadvantage to Microsoft - I wouldn't even say Nintendo, as they have their own little market that will support them as they are with Cube now (and have with the N64).

 

[jvd]

Mabye. Of course it could go the otherway around and sony releasing specs and some how ms coming out with something double the performance of the ps3.... but in a surprise move nintendo beats both the systems specs and hten from out of the ashes like a phonix sega releases the dc 2 which is faster than 48 ps3s linked together 6 months after the ps3 is launched

you see, I'm not even basing my arguement around how powerful those next gen systems will be. I know you think it will make a difference, but the difference to the casual consumer will be as important as it is now = non existant. And these consoles are already seperated by over a year...

We just have to wait. Btw mgs2 for the pc was recalled .

 

[Paul]

"TmB had horrible view distance , bad controlls and just stupid sound effects."

TMB has some of the best draw distance seen on ps2, all at 60fps. Controls are PERFECT, maybe you just didn't know how to play. Music was AMAZING, sound effects were just decent i'll give you that.

TMB is still rated one of the best ps2 games around.

Oh and Chap, I think we both misunderstood each other and jumped to conclusions, sorry.

 

[jvd]

"TmB had horrible view distance , bad controlls and just stupid sound effects."

TMB has some of the best draw distance seen on ps2, all at 60fps. Controls are PERFECT, maybe you just didn't know how to play. Music was AMAZING, sound effects were just decent i'll give you that.

TMB is still rated one of the best ps2 games around.

Oh and Chap, I think we both misunderstood each other and jumped to conclusions, sorry.

I'll go home and replay it again. I will let u know if i stand by my opinions .

 

[Phil]

jvd:

Mabye. Of course it could go the otherway around and sony releasing specs and some how ms coming out with something double the performance of the ps3.... but in a surprise move nintendo beats both the systems specs and hten from out of the ashes like a phonix sega releases the dc 2 which is faster than 48 ps3s linked together 6 months after the ps3 is launched

you see, I'm not even basing my arguement around how powerful those next gen systems will be. I know you think it will make a difference, but the difference to the casual consumer will be as important as it is now = non existant. And these consoles are already seperated by over a year...

We just have to wait. Btw mgs2 for the pc was recalled .

I think you missed out on something that I forgot to add, sorry:

Adding to the performance that will not be the deciding factor, I would like to say that...

Performance will be more important for Nintendo or Microsoft because they are compeeting against the mindshare that Sony has. Less powerful hardware will only come to a disadvantage to Microsoft - I wouldn't even say Nintendo, as they have their own little market that will support them as they are with Cube now (and have with the N64).

 

[jvd]

jvd:

Mabye. Of course it could go the otherway around and sony releasing specs and some how ms coming out with something double the performance of the ps3.... but in a surprise move nintendo beats both the systems specs and hten from out of the ashes like a phonix sega releases the dc 2 which is faster than 48 ps3s linked together 6 months after the ps3 is launched

you see, I'm not even basing my arguement around how powerful those next gen systems will be. I know you think it will make a difference, but the difference to the casual consumer will be as important as it is now = non existant. And these consoles are already seperated by over a year...

We just have to wait. Btw mgs2 for the pc was recalled .

I think you missed out on something that I forgot to add, sorry:

Adding to the performance that will not be the deciding factor, I would like to say that...

Performance will be more important for Nintendo or Microsoft because they are compeeting against the mindshare that Sony has. Less powerful hardware will only come to a disadvantage to Microsoft - I wouldn't even say Nintendo, as they have their own little market that will support them as they are with Cube now (and have with the N64).

I dunno about that if ms launches another system with better hardware than sony this time around it will hurt sony. Ms was a new comer to the field this gen. Next gen it will be a much more known console name .

 

[chaphack]

Dont speak too soon. The last i heard, Polyphony is planning for a PS2 and PC version!

Yeah, you're right! Last I heard, Bungee was thinking of developing Halo 2 for PS2 too!

Yes. A year or so ago, it was planned to have GT4 for PS2 and PC to battle it out online. It was quite long ago, so it might have fallen off the radar.

 

[Deepak]

No-one has told me why XB2 could be launched in 2005 (2 yrs time) when they havent even decided the CPU/GPU.....XB2 will be more complex than XB1 so obviously it will take more time even if they pick up components from the market...

 

[jvd]

No-one has told me why XB2 could be launched in 2005 (2 yrs time) when they havent even decided the CPU/GPU.....XB2 will be more complex than XB1 so obviously it will take more time even if they pick up components from the market...

Deepak i have already told u. They haven't announced anything to us because they don't have too. They may have decided though. Ms going with off the shelf tech means they just need to figure out if they are going amd or intel for cpu . Nvidia , ati or other for qpu. Then decide if they want custom or of the shelf gpu. We may not hear anything out of ms untill the day before its announced. Sony has a ton of custom chips in the ps3. Most of these are built with other companys. For them to liscense something there is allways an anouncement. With ms they have most likely liscensed the things they will use in xbox 2 through other agreements made at other points of its history.

Only reason why sony has let out anything on cell being in ps3 (which the vp still says it isn't in it ) is because they are spending billions on it . Ms wont be.

 

[London Geezer]

No-one has told me why XB2 could be launched in 2005 (2 yrs time) when they havent even decided the CPU/GPU.....XB2 will be more complex than XB1 so obviously it will take more time even if they pick up components from the market...

Deepak i have already told u. They haven't announced anything to us because they don't have too. They may have decided though. Ms going with off the shelf tech means they just need to figure out if they are going amd or intel for cpu . Nvidia , ati or other for qpu. Then decide if they want custom or of the shelf gpu. We may not hear anything out of ms untill the day before its announced. Sony has a ton of custom chips in the ps3. Most of these are built with other companys. For them to liscense something there is allways an anouncement. With ms they have most likely liscensed the things they will use in xbox 2 through other agreements made at other points of its history.

Only reason why sony has let out anything on cell being in ps3 (which the vp still says it isn't in it ) is because they are spending billions on it . Ms wont be.

i still think that it will cost MS a lot to make a more powerful machine than PS3 with off the shelf components... a lot more than Sony is spending for something that at the end of the day is not only for PS3 anyway...
and the quicker MS wants a powerful machine out, the more it will cost them...
in the long run Sony will have the most effective price-performace ratio. if not with PS3 then with the following machines they sell...

 

[Deepak]

Deepak i have already told u. They haven't announced anything to us because they don't have too. They may have decided though. Ms going with off the shelf tech means they just need to figure out if they are going amd or intel for cpu . Nvidia , ati or other for qpu. Then decide if they want custom or of the shelf gpu. We may not hear anything out of ms untill the day before its announced. Sony has a ton of custom chips in the ps3. Most of these are built with other companys. For them to liscense something there is allways an anouncement. With ms they have most likely liscensed the things they will use in xbox 2 through other agreements made at other points of its history.

But JVD even if MS uses (which they will) off shelf components (CPU/GPU etc), is it really as simple as assembling an ordinary PC....they will have to have factories to assemble everything or contract other companies...and can it be achieved in 2yrs (2005) which includes creating software tools etc, giving away developers kits to developers atleast 1 yr before actual launch....if we dont hear anything about XB2 in this yr I dont think they would be able to launch it in 2005....

Only reason why sony has let out anything on cell being in ps3 (which the vp still says it isn't in it ) is because they are spending billions on it . Ms wont be.

....they spent (lost actually ) 2 billions on XB1 itself....[/quote]

 

[jvd]

But JVD even if MS uses (which they will) off shelf components (CPU/GPU etc), is it really as simple as assembling an ordinary PC....they will have to have factories to assemble everything or contract other companies...and can it be achieved in 2yrs (2005) which includes creating software tools etc, giving away developers kits to developers atleast 1 yr before actual launch....if we dont hear anything about XB2 in this yr I dont think they would be able to launch it in 2005....

It can be achived much faster than building thier own fabs to make products . All they need is an assembly factory (upgrade the xbox factorys ) What software tools ? Dx9 or 10 . Thats there. All the tools are there for the pc . ms doesn't have to worry about that . Dev kits ? Well use a 3 ghz p4 and a nv40 . As i said they can use stealth all the way up to the month it is launched to keep us from knowing everything.

 

[jvd]

still think that it will cost MS a lot to make a more powerful machine than PS3 with off the shelf components... a lot more than Sony is spending for something that at the end of the day is not only for PS3 anyway...
and the quicker MS wants a powerful machine out, the more it will cost them...
in the long run Sony will have the most effective price-performace ratio. if not with PS3 then with the following machines they sell...

The reason the xbox still costs so much is nvidia. They bought the chips didn't liscense the ip ... big mistake. This time they will liscense the ip . Then when a new micron process comes around they can drop the die size and get more chips per wafer bringing costs down. Also if yields improve they can take advantage of the savings . Where as now they have to buy the chips at whatever nvidia wants them to buy them at

 

[Vince]

This is what I expected

Goddamnit, as if I haven't already had enough trouble with people plagiarizing my work... where's that Jvd with his crowbar.

This time they will liscense the IP.

How many companies are willing to liecense their bleeding-edge IP? While someone like Kristof must love the sound of this, I can't imagine a company like nVidia wanting in. So, does MS "rent" the millions of dollars in tools and the intangible, immaterial costs of th IHV's engineering divisions? Would any other IHV be allowed to help? Where are the bounderies?

Unless they go to a company whose buisness model is based around liecensing, this "idea" has about as much grounding in reality as MS's first proposed specs... Shaders in the CPU and all.

 

[jvd]

This is what I expected

Goddamnit, as if I haven't already had enough trouble with people plagiarizing my work... where's that Jvd with his crowbar.

Vince i told u i'm going to use your left arm haha . Whats wrong ?

 

[Vince]

Vince i told u i'm going to use your left arm haha . Whats wrong ?

heh... must have, um, missed that little nuance in weaponry.

 

[Panajev2001a]

This is what I expected

Goddamnit, as if I haven't already had enough trouble with people plagiarizing my work... where's that Jvd with his crowbar.

Aren't we violent today ?

 

[PC-Engine]

I put multiplatform in "brackets" for a reason. True multiplatform to me is a game like TimeSplitters2 which was developed and launched on all platforms simultaneously. Konami, with Silent Hill, ZOE and Metal Gear Solid are not considered multi-platform games. They are being/were developed for one console only, with the option to cash in some more on additional portings. Those ports are not a given though. Similar to Konami, Namco's big games are also developed for the one console AFAIK. Ace Combat did not launch on any other consoles, neither did any Tekken game. Soul Calibur is an exception though. The big franchise are not "multi-console" though. Who's the one delusional here?

When I say multiplatform I mean no exclusivity contracts or games that are open to multiplatform porting. It doesn't have to be simultaneous launches. It could be ported later like MGS. Also I read that the next Ridge Racer is also multiplatform. I wouldn't be surprised if ZOE and Tekken goes multiplatform next generation.

With the exception of sport titles which are multiplatform, the big sellers this generation are exclusive games or games that are not considered multiplatform: Grand Theft Auto: Vice, Grand Theft Auto 3, Metal Gear Solid 2, Tony Hawks Pro Skater 3, Final Fantasy X and some others. Other "big" games that also sold more than well are Devil May Cry, Silent Hill 2. I'm too lazy to look up more, but I'm also sure that Tekken TAG/4, Dead or Alive 3, Ace Combat, Virtua Fighter, Final fantasy X-2 sold more than enough which are also exclusives or not multiconsole considered games. True, there are many multiplatform games which did sell well, but they aren't in the majority as you suggest.

Those games that you listed are only on PS2 because of the installed base advantage over Xbox and GCN due to MS and N releasing their consoles late. Most of those games you listed are likely to become multiplatform sooner or later especially if Xbox2 and GCN2 is released before PS3. Also IIRC THPS3/4 is also on the other platforms. Even the FF franchise is branching off on GCN and I only see this trend continuing into the next generation.

Nope but it makes for more PS2 games.

You mean shovelware

 

[Deepak]

BTW, how much time did MS take since the inception of XB concept and actual launch????