Why does this not surprise me? Should I break out the Crayola crayons?
Are you going to draw pictures for mommy?
I was pointing out the obvious legal double-standard which clearly showed their feel-good rhetoric is very far from the reality of the situation.
Legal double standard indeed. To much propali favortism.
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buy. They were
given. Someone else gave them another person's property for European political expediency. Palestinians were unduly forced to shoulder the high price for European crimes against their own Jewish populations. This really does strike me as grossly unfair.[/quote]
thats not true. by tradition they owned the land. They were given much of it as were the arabs (who chose to lose it) as well as bought much from turkish landowners. Legally they have every right to call it theres.
What's almost as sad, is what did the Jews get? A relatively worthless piece of land, given to it in the worst possible way, surrounded by people who are caught up in a cycle of retribution with them. That's sounds like a raw deal to me...
worthless? How historically ignorant of you to say such a thing? But you are from canada correct? You have no idea what the land means to the jews do you? No you don't obviously.
The jews are willing to fight for that land. It was the Land given to them by YHWH, Hashem, Elohem. They were more than willing to share it. It is not their fault they are surrounded by bigotted, murderous, pali terrorists.
It seems they've also given themselves the right to revoke citizenship as they please.
As canada has? My word, you were once colonies as well. They have every right to give citizenship as they please. Its their damn country.
Did I say they didn't accept migrants? No, I'm referring to more than migrant workers. I'm referring to fully-fledged residents.
No. You just complain.
The arabs palis have no right to that land. If the jews wish to remove them for valid reasons, as they have, then so be it. They are trying to protect themselves. My links to you have shown how the media isn't presenting the jewish side of the story.
It's Byzantine btw. The Byzantines finally fell to the Sultans in 1453. There's a four-hundred year gap there where various European, Arabic and Turkish empires stole it from each other even into the twentieth century.
Why thank you for correcting me. It shows that you at least have some understanding of what you are talking about unlike many of your ilk. The time period of ownership has absolutely no baring on valid ownership. The land was taken through war. If israel has no valid claims to said lands acquired through war then neither do the arabs or much of the rest of the world.
The argument of historical ownership falls back on a seemingly infinite regress. Hense the reason i find it so pointless to argue with others over who "has the rights" to those lands. The arabs stole it so many times from each other and from others how would one decide who owns it based on past history?
Yes they were.
Ben Gurion was adamant on that point. Their goal was an pure Jewish state which is unsurprising given the leadup to '48. There has been an exceptional amount of letters and memos from Ben Gurion that's showing him for the man he was. The Lavon Affair is probably the biggest scandal against Ben Gurion. Anyways...
I have infact never heard such a thing. They have arab citizens now and still allow for them. infact, consistantly i have read about israel's willingness to allow the palis to reenter israel as citizens.
Like incidents such as Deir Yessin? They were offered to flee or take a bullet in the head, if not by Hagannah, than certainly by Irgun.
rather isolated incidents don't you think? Do you think that the palis are some how in better standing or the arab violence didn't incourage the standoffish nature of israel during those times? Shall we address the brutish nature of the arabs and they attacks against the israel state and each other? Unlike the arabs the jews actually gave them a chance to leave.
A lot of Palestinians were driven out because of this.
And a lot of jews were driven out of jordan, germany, egypt etc. Where are the complaints for them? The arabs wouldn't have lost their lands if not for the insuing violence against israel.
Hagannah forces would encircle areas and drive the occupants out through fear (Deir Yessin was such an operation that went wrong). This is like blaming Croats or Kosovars fleeing Serbian army and then Belgrade offering their victims citizenship in Greater Serbia...
I love it how you use the hagannah reference as some great terrorist group. Please. If anything they merciful compare to their arab counterparts. The palis to this day are force fed propaganda from their leaders in all levels of education. Their leaders can't allow for peace in any sense of the word. THey wish only for the distruction of israel.
You also have to remember that people do not like change. Especially drastic change. Palestinians, Jews, Muslims and Christians of the region didn't understand the concept of the nationstate. It was something totally alien to them.
another valid reason for the irrelevancy of the UN resolutions.
Remember that most of the early elite of Israeli were not of the region at all and were neglected almost as much as non-Jews.
How does this remove their legitimate ownership of the land? Most of the palis today never lived in the land known as palestine.
No problem with that at all. What I do have trouble with is the disengenuous argument that Israel accepts non-Jews on an equal footing. As a non-Jew, go to Israel and try to get land from the JNF. I wish you luck.
As if the jews think all americans are jewish
. A college professor friend of mine took his class with him to israel recently. They had no problems. I think you are being overly judgemental. Many cultures (IE JAPANESE) have problems with foreign relations. There is no absolute moral precept that states well all must love foreigners.
If the Israeli government or Jewish groups pushed for such a polic (which I agree with; and they have, especially when it comes to Germany), then they must push for similar treatment for Palestinians.
Why? they aren't citizens of their land. Why are they israel's responsibility and not the arab nations they came from?
Iran is, but Iran is rather a curious exception in the region considering it's the only populace that maintained strong connections to their pre-Islamic past. Iran has the third-highest population of Jews in the world behind the USA and Israel. And the Jews leaving Iran are leaving for economic reasons just like the rest of the Iranian youth. Again, I know two students personally who left Iran for greener pastures abroad.
Thank you for your one example.
No, Michael never advocated invading Islamic nations, killing or forcibly converting their leaders to Christianity.
But he has stated Ms Clinton should be president
