Buying new TV - Go LED or wait for 3d?

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I dont really know anything about these 3d tv's. I want to buy a new gaming tv, and i have been looking at some very nice LED tv's from Samsung.

Should i wait for these 3d tv's? Buying a new TV now is really not all that important to me, i just like the quality picture from LEDs compared to LCD.
 
The Samsung LEDs (AFAIK) are edge lit LED. This means the big advantage is simply the life of the backlight. Also the Samsung's supposedly have a lot of processing which results in input lag.

It looks like the better 3D sets are going to be 2x regular sets for a while too :(
 
I dont really know anything about these 3d tv's. I want to buy a new gaming tv, and i have been looking at some very nice LED tv's from Samsung.

Should i wait for these 3d tv's? Buying a new TV now is really not all that important to me, i just like the quality picture from LEDs compared to LCD.

I like the Samsung plasmas over their LCDs, unless you get the uber expensive UN55B8500 with local dimming.

Even their lowly 720p model looks better than the mainstream LCDs (even the LED backlit ones) imo.
 
The Samsung 8500's are very nice. Thier new lineup for 2010 actually doesn't have anything that will rival it. Maybe they'll make a new flagship announcement at the the end of the year?

The LG LH90's are very good also.

I'd still take a plasma. The new Panny's and Samsungs are rolling out.

I'm going to give 3D a few years. There's still plenty of 2D PQ these companies can improve on.
 
Here's a solid vote AGAINST plasma for gaming. I have a panny plasma that I finally made single-player and movies only because of phosphor burn-in of the boundary line between players in multplayer games. Multiplayer is LCD only in my house.
 
I like the Samsung plasmas over their LCDs, unless you get the uber expensive UN55B8500 with local dimming.

Even their lowly 720p model looks better than the mainstream LCDs (even the LED backlit ones) imo.
I'm not a fan of their (2009) edgelit models too, but their 2010 models are supposed to be a bit better. But I'm not a big fan of their entry level plasmas either. They have a poor anti-reflective coating (much like Panasonic plasmas) that make blacks look milky in bright rooms. Samsung's plasmas are also more prone to image retention compared to Panasonic or Pioneer (temporary or even permanent). My brother has a B450 and I told him about all the precautions you should go through with a new plasma during the break-in period and he still has a weird image permanently burnt into the top left of his screen, and he doesn't even have the contrast that high, and it's only a few months old!

The Samsung LEDs (AFAIK) are edge lit LED. This means the big advantage is simply the life of the backlight. Also the Samsung's supposedly have a lot of processing which results in input lag.

It looks like the better 3D sets are going to be 2x regular sets for a while too :(
Samsung has edgelit and LED backlit. The B8500 (North American model number) is LED backlit with localized dimming. Samsung's 2010 LED backlit model is the C9000; the rest of the Cx000 are edgelit.

But you're right about Samsung HDTV's -- Samsung does a lot of processing to the video and have input lag upwards of 60ms. Their game mode's purpose is to reduce lag, and it does, but some of their displays have high lag even with game mode enabled. Brands like LG and Panasonic do relatively little processing to the video so input lag on their displays is usually lower.

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Anyway, personally, I couldn't care less about 3D right now. I just bought a nice LG 55LH90 LED local dimming LCD for a good price that should last me a few years until I might care about 3D. If 3D gaming/movies might interest you, then definitely look at one of the newer models. But if you can find one of the older 2009 LED backlit models for a good price, I would jump on it. Or an 09/10 plasma (preferably Panasonic or Pioneer) will be good too. Pioneer makes THE best HDTV's, but they're out of the HDTV business now and have sold the rights of the Kuro tech to Panasonic (which they might implement in their Plasmas in 2011/2012).

Something else to consider is how much input lag there is on the TV. Like I said above, LG and Panasonic LCD's generally have relatively low input lag. I personally tested my 55LH90 (using the stopwatch test) and got a respectably low number of 30ms, and that's with local dimming on. Panasonic plasmas also generally have low input lag.
 
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How old is your Panny? Most new plasma have some form of pixel shift open to avoid burn-in. IR does not mean burn in btw.

Some sets, like the Samsung Plasma's are more prone to IR but it's gone after a couple of mins of diff viewing.

My Kuro simply has no such issue. The Pannys' are very good about lack of IR also.
 
My Panny is about 2 years old. Put two kids playing halo on it for hours and you'll definitely get a nice visible line across the middle. Maybe it fades after a while (guess I should check), but it was there hours later the last day they played before I shoved them downstairs to the 60" LCD...
 
Here's a solid vote AGAINST plasma for gaming. I have a panny plasma that I finally made single-player and movies only because of phosphor burn-in of the boundary line between players in multplayer games. Multiplayer is LCD only in my house.

Those are just image retention, it'll go away as you used it more.
 
Image retention is burn in, but there's temporal IR (which is normal) and permanent IR (which is rare these days). I guess it depends on who you ask though. Some people go by these terms while others go by image retention and burn in.

IMHO, plasmas are safe to game on, but I would be hesitant to buy a Samsung plasma for gaming. Not sure about LG plasmas, but their 09 plasmas weren't very good so I wouldn't recommend them anyway.
 
So all these tvs with processing, you can't turn all that shit off to minimize lag? The first thing I'd be doing is turning off all the dynamic contrast crap, etc.
 
So all these tvs with processing, you can't turn all that shit off to minimize lag? The first thing I'd be doing is turning off all the dynamic contrast crap, etc.
It's not just the processing options that are in the user settings, it's just amount of processing and the methods they use to process the video. Even if you disable dynamic contrast, edge enhancement etc., the input lag is still high on Samsung displays (I know, I own one as well). Like I mentioned above, Samsung's game mode minimizes the video processing to reduce lag, but it also usually limits the picture adjustability in the user menu.
 
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You can turned most of the processing off. But most models give you limited control and not full control to calibrate your set.
 
How much are you looking to spend and what sizes are you looking at (and/or what is your seating distance)? Do you live in North America? I'll gladly offer you some models to look at. I'm also aware of how much lag most of the more popular models have.
 
My suggestions are here if you want to buy a new LCD today, from best to less better. All are good models anyway.
Sony KDL-46X4500 led local dimming (better than edge led), probably best local dimming what comes to a minimal lag.
Sony KDL-46EX700 edge led
LG 46SL9500 edge led

Samsung led dimming tvs have had lag problems, for some reason few models did same lag with and without gaming mode. Maybe they have fixed problems in recent models.
 
Here's a solid vote AGAINST plasma for gaming. I have a panny plasma that I finally made single-player and movies only because of phosphor burn-in of the boundary line between players in multplayer games. Multiplayer is LCD only in my house.

That's odd. Have you tried running the whitewash screen to get rid of it? Any time any of the plasmas have a problem with IR in the store (usually someone being too lazy to select play on the title screen and leaving it there for hours) the whitewash gets rid of it in a jiffy.

One of the Samsungs (B550) got slightly permaburned but the abuses it took were far outside the realm of normal use, even gaming.

I'm not a fan of their (2009) edgelit models too, but their 2010 models are supposed to be a bit better.

The thing that annoys me about the eglelit Samsungs is the dynamic contrast. It is waaay too dynamic, jarring really.

But I'm not a big fan of their entry level plasmas either. They have a poor anti-reflective coating (much like Panasonic plasmas) that make blacks look milky in bright rooms.

The Panasonics are very bad about this, but the Samsungs are tolerable. And this is worst case scenario with banks of florescent lights glaring down on them. Still this is one area in which they could make vast improvements.

Some sets, like the Samsung Plasma's are more prone to IR but it's gone after a couple of mins of diff viewing.

To be fair the Samsungs are visibly brighter, so a little more IR can be expected.

Also there is something fishy going on with the black levels on the Pannies.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10447329-1.html
 
Yeah the Panasonic's have rising black levels. It's an issue. Basically, the black levels worsen over time. So in the end the black level advantage they have over the Samsung plasma's erodes.

I'm just happy I was able to buy a Kuro when I did. Such a relief.
 
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