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Business Approach Comparison Sony PS4 and Microsoft Xbox
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Degree of smile is derived from optical cameras, as is heartrate monitoring. Sony are in the same position to harvest details for adverts as MS.
True. "Better" is qualitative.
30-50% more processing power is quantitative.
12cu vs 18cu is quantitative
GDDR5 vs DDR3 is quantitative
16ROP vs 32ROP is quantitative
In many places, the above may not equate to "better", but when the architecture is exactly the same, here at b3d I think it's safe to quantify the above as "better".
This is a concern of course, however from what we've heard from Sony, they are not mandating an internet connection.
The stretch of the playstation brand into many regions without internet connection I think helps steer their policy in that regard.
If MS come up with better games, they'll be providing the better gaming experience.
Nope. Yes you can quantify the specifications. But its not an "if that then this" type of thing. PS4 has more of the same features that Xbox One has. But not better versions of those things AFAIK.
They have the same exact CPU with the same amount of instructions per clock so there is a firm limit there... who cares if the GPU can accept more instructions if the system is CPU bound? If Xbox ONE is more efficient and can keep its 12CU fully utilized but the PS4 cant keep its 18 fully utilized because of the CPU, then you paid for "wasted" silicon unless you can effectively implement GPGPU.
In terms of featureset the systems are pretty much equal so they are complete in and of themselves. Unless you can think of a feature that exists on one console that does not exist on the other (like maybe S.H.A.P.E. versus the Audio Block on PS4), I see no further point in you trying to convince anyone that PS4 is somehow better.
Again developers on here have quantitatively shown the xbox 360 outperforming the PS3 in modern games... and it was not due to "lazy developers"; which from your point of view, would only mean that they were only lazy wrt to the Playstation port.
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But everyone will use it. My PS3 is always on the internet, whether I sign into PSN or not. I expect the same from PS4, and I expect everyone to leave the internet on and active. The only way to disable it would be to go into network settings and remove your router connection, or go into your router and block your PS4, if PS3 is anything to go by.
If you connect your PS4 up to the internet, it'll be looking at you and listening to you. Whether Sony choose to turn that into spyware or not, we don't know, but they're in exactly the same position as MS, so I don't see why you are fearful of one and not the other. Sony gave us invasive rootkits, remember? They're hardly the holy, righteous side of gaming.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/gaming/2013/05/30/microsoft-xbox-one-whitten/2370381/
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Credit to dobwal for finding this
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Yes, but if I choose to disconnect the pseye, the ps4 won't cease to work.
Ditto the internet connection.
The same cannot be said for xbone.
Overall, I'd say yes you are correct in that they are essentially the same, except that ps4 has a better gpu.
In my book:
higher framerate = better
higher resolution = better
to flip that notion on its head, is there anyone that would equate the above to worse instead of better?
No, but everything comes at a price. Each new feature(s) need to be carefully weighed to determine whether or not new trade-offs are worth it. For you & others, the sacrifices are not worth it. You want the best hardware & one that is targeted mainly at games. I get that. Others like myself may not see the difference the better hardware provides. So the extra functionality we get for non-games might be a determining factor. It's all about choice & what we want.
Tommy McClain
Or just stop pretending that you are objectively considering the purchase of an xbox ever and that you were always going to get the playstation box even if it were "weaker" and this "conversation" and mock outrage is simply a charade to publicly justify your purchase choice. All of which no one really cares about. Buy what you want.
There I said it. Have a nice day.
There I said it. Have a nice day.
As I said, bad habit. This is a technology independent society. Once you have been there its hard to get out. And instead of realizing the problem, you are telling me to stop using the internet or cell phone as if the problem lies within me. As if me, an insignificant someone if he stops using the internet, it will solve it for everyone
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Can't say I'm a fan of the "suck it up" attitude towards privacy concerns some exhibit here...
Anyway, I think the best option is to have Microsoft AND Sony provide a choice to opt out of data logging and to have their code verified as legitimately non-intrusive by some independent privacy watch dog groups or government entities. Truthfully, I'd rather see source made public, but we all know Microsoft and Sony are some of the last companies to expect that from. I think my above suggestion is probably the best middle ground and serves everyone fairly. Thoughts?
Anyway, I think the best option is to have Microsoft AND Sony provide a choice to opt out of data logging and to have their code verified as legitimately non-intrusive by some independent privacy watch dog groups or government entities. Truthfully, I'd rather see source made public, but we all know Microsoft and Sony are some of the last companies to expect that from. I think my above suggestion is probably the best middle ground and serves everyone fairly. Thoughts?
It sounds a bit like PR to me. Different emphasis and words, but the same outcome.
It doesn't necessarily mean that the PS4 is going to end up having more games than the other consoles.
It would be very odd that a company like Sony with so much on tap multimmedia content, music and movies, don't want to talk about that other part because they are afraid of upsetting fans. They are doing well, their strategy has been the right one. But the more services, the happier the core will be, imho.
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Or just stop pretending that you are objectively considering the purchase of an xbox ever and that you were always going to get the playstation box even if it were "weaker" and this "conversation" and mock outrage is simply a charade to publicly justify your purchase choice. All of which no one really cares about. Buy what you want.
There I said it. Have a nice day.
where's the applause button?
good marketing, they know that's how people are drawing the lines even though MS had told us well in advance of reveal not to expect games and that E3 would be the big GAME reveal... I find that kind of talk a little simple minded, appeasing a simplified rhetoric to be honest..
they BOTH will have lots of games to play that LOT's of people want to play and even with the specs as they are most people will never notice the subtle visual fidelity/resolution or frame rate difference. so it's a strawman
Focus is also about execution, not just talks. Look at the type of feedback after Sony and MS's events. It also goes back to PS3/360 and Vita. Earlier and later PS3 marketing were different too.
Both companies will of course need to follow up.
Note that Hirai says it's about the gamers, not games.
Both companies will of course need to follow up.
Note that Hirai says it's about the gamers, not games.
I hope so. People had been patiently waiting the Xbox reveal for months and in the end it was a bit of an anti-climax. But I trust Larry Hryb and Marc Whitten, they will do fine in the E3, I think.
Darn, I was writing a pretty long post in the Xbox reveal thread and then when I tried to post it, it was closed. I am confuddled X-D Actually, I am slightly pissed off because it was a well thought post and it took me a while, but I agree the thread was getting out of hand.
