18+ year old console launches hardly apply anymore. Since then, all consoles have launched in November with the exception of the PS2 (October 26, but close enough). Japan also no longer gets favored by a few months anymore.
Business Approach Comparison Sony PS4 and Microsoft Xbox
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18+ year old console launches hardly apply anymore. Since then, all consoles have launched in November with the exception of the PS2 (October 26, but close enough). Japan also no longer gets favored by a few months anymore.
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How can you say that when MS has lost 7+ billion on Xbox since 2001 and yet still keeps rolling on...
They are in it for the long haul and they would GLADLY take another $5-10 billion loss over the next 7 years to knock Sony out of the business forever IMO.
That's the thing.
It isn't so much that Sony came out with uber hardware and simply caught MS off guard. MS mailed it in hardware-wise.
As to the last point WRT how much money they are making/losing: MS was currently making over $1B annually in xbl fees alone.
1B every year.
This number was (emphasis on past tense) a growing number.
This number is also not factoring in game sales, hardware, & peripherals.
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The biggest thing this $1B/yr number is not factoring is the huge potential ad revenue from display, search, and market research on TV ads. (not to mention the encouragement of people to watch live TV, and hence inability to skip commercials in the first place).
All of the above adds up to MS not hurting for money with the current generation in which they went all in on hardware (GDDR + ~250mm2 GPU + 150mm2 CPU), sold the baseline spec for $300, and lost $100-200 per console (at launch).
For xbone, they invested little in the hardware (DDR + 120mm2 GPU + 80mm2 CPU) and knew full well they would come up weaker than ps4. Now either they knew they would lose their base that expected xbox to provide a premium gaming experience, or they figured their base would be too stupid to know the difference.
Either way rubs me the wrong way & either way will see those lucrative $50/yr xbl subs in decline as more people like myself don't like what they see.
I'll be sure to do my part in making everyone I know aware of the cut corners in xbone and the alternatives.
BTW - None of the above even touches on their new anti-consumer policies.
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About second hand and "always online" in Xbox One:
http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/...-davidson-talks-xbox-live-20130529-2na3g.html
you have no idea how much all the hardware in that box cost MS, there are parts in there you are not even factoring in (SHAPE, ERAM), not to mention, the R&D, Kinect complete revamp, the software and engineering costs ... to say they "cut corners"..
and this Sony uber box people keep talking about will have the exact same games for the most part looking nearly identical except to people who can casually tell the difference between 900p/1080p from 12' away or several fps lower but still over 30
Not sure where you're getting this from.
FWIR, $4b loss on xb1, initial losses on xb360 first couple years, and growing profitability since then.
You're missing the point.
The kinect periphery is not there for you to enjoy games (see mandatory connection). The kinect periphery is there to collect data and target ads at you.
So in what manor should these costs even be considered as a burden the consumer should pay for?
edit- and as for the "sony uber box" as I said, it isn't. It is a reasonable reduction in cpu silicon while still dedicating ~200-250mm2 to the gpu. And the fact they went all in with gddr5 helps solidify their commitment to providing a premium gaming experience.
I think bkillian's explanation about collected data by Kinect was very clear.
What is also very clear is the possible data that such a device can be used to collect whenever the dollar-signs-in-their-eye suits decide they would like to turn on by default "...and let the user opt out if they so desire".
If the device were not mandatory to hook up to the internet and also mandatory in every box, this would not be a concern.
the same as every laptop, tablet, and phone in the world...
I know, I know, bubu those dont record and track you (neither does Kinect)! Or something.
Or the camera in Wii U gamepad?
If you bought a laptop/tablet/phone and it would not work unless it was hooked up to the internet and had the camera working and pointed at you, then yes, that would be reason to be suspicious.
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Kinect will work even if it is not pointed to you, just turn it to the wall. And it will work off line too.
What did I just read.... tin foil hats what?
now you just look to be saying shit to get people to engage with you... I'm tuning this channel out, thanks
because, i really want my phone (and laptop) to work offline
And I dont really know if some nefarious hacker turned my phone cam on and I dont know it. I just assume that doesn't happen because well, I'm reasonable in that respect.
I could say something stupid like "but my phone could spy on me everywhere! That makes the phone uniquely dangerous! At least Kinect is only in one room of my house!".
I mean, if I was being dumb.
As I said, if the device were not mandatory in every box (as has been said previously, every game requires it to be used) and the box were not mandated to connect to the internet, then this would not be an issue. As is, this is a marketers dream box.
They can not only tell how many people are in the room, but whether they are watching and whether they are "enjoying" what they watch.
This is all beside the point though.
Bottom line is that the game hardware in the box is severely hampered in comparison to the competition and as a business decision, it was a foolish one which will most likely cost them considerably more than the extra 6cus + ram would have.
But you know ... suits with dollar-signs-in-their-eyes can't see too clearly.
Do you has a link? because it is unknown.
And again, Kinect can work offline and the system will allow you to turn off the camera.
Please google for CISPA and also check out Skype tapping after MS bought them.
It was stated by BK that every game tie in with kinect.
Kinect will be there if devs want to use it, but some developers, like avalanche, said they will use it only if it makes the experience better, and it looks like they are not required to use Kinect.
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