Except that smartglass, which is available on virtually any screen, is central to their strategy and pre-existed the reveal.
Business Approach Comparison Sony PS4 and Microsoft Xbox
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Except that smartglass, which is available on virtually any screen, is central to their strategy and pre-existed the reveal.
upnorthsox
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Lol, I'm sure you're being serious but reading that all I can imagine is a cartoon Cowboy Balmer facing down the 3 bad guys with his trusty kinect pistol.....er finger, going pew...pew...pew...............
Bagel seed
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Could the casual streaming app market be a phantom competitor of MS imagination? Gearing up to fight a battle where every 'army' already peacefully coexists?
Kind of like storming into a village getting ready to rape and conquer but finding out all the other G.I's have already turned it into an Amsterdam red light district where everyone gets laid.
Kind of like storming into a village getting ready to rape and conquer but finding out all the other G.I's have already turned it into an Amsterdam red light district where everyone gets laid.
Lol. In all honesty, MS is in the fight of its life. Every front it participates in is relevant for its central cash cow-windows. And the threats have come from players with as much or more cash and mindshare as MS itself. This isn't Ms versus Netscape, sun or even the us government. Its like death by a billion cuts...
If MS fails in tv, tablets or phones it could very well mean the beginning of a slow but sure fall into back office irrelevance.
Johnny Awesome
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Listen guys, as a core gamer I'll totally admit that I wish MS had stuck in another 6 CUs and used GDDR5, but chances are what they've done is "good enough" to deliver next generation gaming experiences. They've likely cut enough corners that they'll be able to afford to include Kinect 2 and achieve price parity or better with PS4.
I'm just pointing out what they're doing, not necessarily endorsing it.
If Sony is right and they can make significantly better gaming experiences on PS4 than MS can on X1 and people care enough, then MS made a bad gamble.
On the other hand, if most gamers don't see the difference and MS can deliver a cheaper box than Sony, then Sony is in trouble, especially since they are banking on mainly game revenues.
The reality is that Sony can't afford another debacle like the PS3, money wise. The more price pressure MS puts on them, the more likely it is that they'll have to wave the white flag.
If you walked up to the top brass at MS and said pick one of the following next-gen scenarios:
1) MS and Sony both lose $5 billion in the gaming market.
2) MS makes $10 billion in the gaming market and Sony makes $5 billion.
They would all chose 1) over 2)
It would drive Sony out of the market.
I'm just pointing out what they're doing, not necessarily endorsing it.
If Sony is right and they can make significantly better gaming experiences on PS4 than MS can on X1 and people care enough, then MS made a bad gamble.
On the other hand, if most gamers don't see the difference and MS can deliver a cheaper box than Sony, then Sony is in trouble, especially since they are banking on mainly game revenues.
The reality is that Sony can't afford another debacle like the PS3, money wise. The more price pressure MS puts on them, the more likely it is that they'll have to wave the white flag.
If you walked up to the top brass at MS and said pick one of the following next-gen scenarios:
1) MS and Sony both lose $5 billion in the gaming market.
2) MS makes $10 billion in the gaming market and Sony makes $5 billion.
They would all chose 1) over 2)
It would drive Sony out of the market.
Thesuffering
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According to Pachter he guesses the ps4 will cost $350 and the Xbone will cost $400.
So my guess is that the Xbone will be the same price as the ps4 or dearer.
As for what MS is doing is right or not, I believe that MS dont want another scenario like the last time where the wii dominated. I think they believe that the Wii U will make a comeback if they dont go after this audience that have seemingly shut out the Wii U. This demographic makes like what 80% of the demographics of console buyers? So far MS has been about the games which i believe is what gamers are really all about. If a gamer had a choice would they go without the one that has the most popular FPS last gen?
On the other hand there is Sony. IMO what it looks like to me is that Sony has made the best hardware they could in hopes that devs will flock to their system because it is the superior console. This has technically never worked. IMO Sony has more to worry about than MS.
So my guess is that the Xbone will be the same price as the ps4 or dearer.
As for what MS is doing is right or not, I believe that MS dont want another scenario like the last time where the wii dominated. I think they believe that the Wii U will make a comeback if they dont go after this audience that have seemingly shut out the Wii U. This demographic makes like what 80% of the demographics of console buyers? So far MS has been about the games which i believe is what gamers are really all about. If a gamer had a choice would they go without the one that has the most popular FPS last gen?
On the other hand there is Sony. IMO what it looks like to me is that Sony has made the best hardware they could in hopes that devs will flock to their system because it is the superior console. This has technically never worked. IMO Sony has more to worry about than MS.
I don't think so. Corporations are financially driven, losing money to drive out competition may seem good on the face, but it would be hard to move that back to profitability. Shareholders reward profit and short term profit always looks better than long term potential especially to the hedge funds that drive share price and that's what creates 8 figure executive bonuses.
For this pricing to be true, they must REALLY be milking the current PS3 and 360 for all their worth before a required price drop. As such, they'll announce the price as late as humanly possible (August/September).
whats happening here is pachter is just giving his opinion, that's all. why do people pretend they dont know that? it sort of makes me angry.
pachter is always wrong according to us but this one time lets all treat him seriously? just stop.
you should be sophisticated enough, as a longtime boardie, to understand pachter does not know the price, and those numbers he threw out are meaningless.
it seems too low, and if ps4 is less than xbone i'll eat my hat (though i'm sure on message boards it will be fact, just like xbone coming 2012 and ps4 2014 was fact).
. Play are at £399. I think Play are still at least £100 over. I can't see it being priced much higher than the Pro/premium at launch.i think theyre just aiming high to be safe by default.
i dunno, 499 seems kinda likely at least for top sku. cant see anybody daring to go to 599.
could easily be pleasantly surprised though. 399 would be a pleasent surprise.
and if they multiple sku's they can only differentiate on hdd size. so it depends how nerfed the low sku is and how viable it is.
If it's high SKU=500GB and low SKU =100GB, low isn't so viable given mandated every game install. But if it's high=500 and low=350, low might be pretty appealing.
All I've heard is 500GB. So maybe there will only be one SKU this time. I think I'd like that, it's time to simplify. Given Kinect and non-Kinect SKU's, xbox had too many SKU's. Now it's all Kinect.
i dunno, 499 seems kinda likely at least for top sku. cant see anybody daring to go to 599.
could easily be pleasantly surprised though. 399 would be a pleasent surprise.
and if they multiple sku's they can only differentiate on hdd size. so it depends how nerfed the low sku is and how viable it is.
If it's high SKU=500GB and low SKU =100GB, low isn't so viable given mandated every game install. But if it's high=500 and low=350, low might be pretty appealing.
All I've heard is 500GB. So maybe there will only be one SKU this time. I think I'd like that, it's time to simplify. Given Kinect and non-Kinect SKU's, xbox had too many SKU's. Now it's all Kinect.
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I wonder if a couple of months head start would be that important? If one console releases say at the end of August in the U.S.A. for Madden and at the end of September for FIFA in Europe and the other console releases say in mid November, around 2-3 months later, would that make a difference? I know in the long run it probably won't but if one can hit the end of the year with a few million more consoles on the ground it could translate into better word of mouth.
nah. saturn showed surprise launches kill.
i think it also creates the situation of, lets say Xbone launches in August (anyways rumors are they have problems, so unlikely). Then you just have people perceiving PS4 as the "true" next gen and waiting for it, or vice versa if ps4 went first. It's a subtle but real thing.
Of course if you have the most power it doesn't matter lol. If Xbone was 3.0 teraflops none of that would matter. But it's 1.2.
I think the Halo franchise killed some of their hype when they moved launches to Sep from Nov for example. I was glad to see Halo 4 going back to Nov.
You dont really have time to build proper hype in August, it's hot, people are outside, there's a reason big games dont launch in summer, etc etc. The holiday season is natural hype time.
I think all of this is fairly minor. In the end it's the product that matters not a launch date. But, it's still negative to launch too early imo.
The NFL is the only major sport which doesn't have an app for the 360, so I'd say a good partnership opportunity would be to start there.
Huh? SNES, N64, Sega Genesis and the PS1 all launched in NA during an August-September time frame.
