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Business Approach Comparison Sony PS4 and Microsoft Xbox
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Is passing FCC a sure thing? (In other words, would a company start mass production before passing FCC?)
The rules and requirements are a known so provided their engineers are somewhat competent it should be, but having to recall units would be expensive, I doubt it's worth the risk.
It was combination of recent failures and recent products/services that MS is still trying to market. It was me talking up MS's marketing tactics, nothing more in that area.
Did you missed the where I said it had traction because of it's approach towards hands-free motion controls?
I was outright stating it as my opinion, hence the "to me" part of my statement. Forcing the XB One to cease functioning without Kinect like it's one device is excessive, especially when it's two separate pieces of hardware. It's terrible for repair/replacement purposes for just not being able to buy another Kinect (or Kinect cable) to plug-in. Also having 2 separate versions for XB One and PC is just adding tedium to the whole product scheme.
I think we've long established that the "basic games console" concept is dead and gone at this point, so that's not an argument. MS trying to push the Kinect to the average consumer is fine by me too, I'm just questioning as to what kind of conditions or lengths they're willing to go through in order to achieve that vision.
To your larger point, it could reasonably be argued that MS is still brute forcing their phone into the marketplace. Regardless how good or bad the UI and software may be at this point the market doesn't seem to be very interested but MS continues to pursue the mobile market.
Interesting comments from Carmack about Kinect, XB1, PS4 and the overall business model strategy of the coming generation:
http://kotaku.com/john-carmack-on-p...m_source=Kotaku_Twitter&utm_medium=Socialflow
http://kotaku.com/john-carmack-on-p...m_source=Kotaku_Twitter&utm_medium=Socialflow
To your larger point, it could reasonably be argued that MS is still brute forcing their phone into the marketplace. Regardless how good or bad the UI and software may be at this point the market doesn't seem to be very interested but MS continues to pursue the mobile market.
Exactly how is MS "brute forcing" their phones into the market?
Exactly how is MS "brute forcing" their phones into the market?
Bigdou's comment which I agreed with was:
"But that's how it works for them. They use as much money as they can to create exposure for their product in any way possible. Even if it could fail, they will do everything they can to brute-force some marketshare into some semblance of success"
I would say the relationship Nokia is categorically consistent with his comment above.
Interesting comments from Carmack about Kinect, XB1, PS4 and the overall business model strategy of the coming generation:
http://kotaku.com/john-carmack-on-p...m_source=Kotaku_Twitter&utm_medium=Socialflow
This could be a money quote:
"kind of like a zero-button mouse with a lot of latency on it."
Exactly how is MS "brute forcing" their phones into the market?
Paying Nokia to produce them?
http://www.slashgear.com/nokia-micr...-pay-them-but-q3-will-still-be-dire-19239306/
This could be a money quote:
Except it's a mouse that reliably recognises the user, tracks the whole body, and it's the microphone.
There's a lot of new and more accurate data for games to work with. I think it's worthwhile.
Do we know the latency of new Kinect? They say it's about 2 frames less than Kinect original.
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This could be a money quote:
To be fair he seemed to be referencing the motion control aspect not the speech recognition which many here on B3D seem to be equally interested in. Add to that the potential UI efficiencies some seem to expect and it may just be difference in expectations.
Paying Nokia to produce them?
http://www.slashgear.com/nokia-micr...-pay-them-but-q3-will-still-be-dire-19239306/
There are a lot of people including myself who were disappointed when Nokia pulled the plug on Meego. When Nokia made the deal with MS it was salt in the wounds because quite a few people were looking forward to a Nokia Android phone due to their expertise with hardware. Sadly its not going to happen......
There are a lot of people including myself who were disappointed when Nokia pulled the plug on Meego. When Nokia made the deal with MS it was salt in the wounds because quite a few people were looking forward to a Nokia Android phone due to their expertise with hardware. Sadly its not going to happen......
Nokia would have died under android and everyone knows it.
Carmacks presentation was very candid. I'm not sure I agree with his conclusions about Kinect.
To be fair he seemed to be referencing the motion control aspect not the speech recognition which many here on B3D seem to be equally interested in. Add to that the potential UI efficiencies some seem to expect and it may just be difference in expectations.
Yeah, and I'm watching the whole keynote now. Overall he was not too down on Kinect, even saying something to the effect that there's no doubt it's part of the future, or something like that.
He also defended against the whole Kinect spying thing, saying a few years ago everybody would have flipped out of they knew we were all carrying GPS trackable cellphones, but that's just the way it is now. In the same way he expects "always on" things like Kinect to not even get a second look in a few years.
And he mentioned that he thinks within a few years we should get no optical drive SKU consoles, that digital is obviously the future and clearly superior. He mentioned his fondness for his Encyclopedia Britannica collection, but that at the end of the day it's just far superior to have things in the cloud.
He talked a lot about consoles, maybe I'll write some of it up for a post.
Nokia would have died under android and everyone knows it.
Carmacks presentation was very candid. I'm not sure I agree with his conclusions about Kinect.
Its debatable and the subject of much controversy to say the least but it's also off topic. Regardless its consistent with BigDuo's point about MS's approach.
Yeah, and I'm watching the whole keynote now. Overall he was not too down on Kinect, even saying something to the effect that there's no doubt it's part of the future, or something like that.
He also defended against the whole Kinect spying thing, saying a few years ago everybody would have flipped out of they knew we were all carrying GPS trackable cellphones, but that's just the way it is now. In the same way he expects "always on" things like Kinect to not even get a second look in a few years.
And he mentioned that he thinks within a few years we should get no optical drive SKU consoles, that digital is obviously the future and clearly superior. He mentioned his fondness for his Encyclopedia Britannica collection, but that at the end of the day it's just far superior to have things in the cloud.
He talked a lot about consoles, maybe I'll write some of it up for a post.
His comment about latency should raise some concerns but then again he would like to see everything at 60fps bc of the improvement to gameplay so again it needs to be taken in context. He makes FPS that run at 60FPS, Kinect is targeted more towards the UI and casual gaming and augmenting core gaming so as an engineer he's going to question the utility of it based on resource allocation.
Nokia would have died under android and everyone knows it.
Carmacks presentation was very candid. I'm not sure I agree with his conclusions about Kinect.
I wonder if he's referring to old Kinect or new Kinect. New Kinect directly addresses his concerns about latency and accuracy.
I wonder if he's referring to old Kinect or new Kinect. New Kinect directly addresses his concerns about latency and accuracy.
Kinect is not going to have the same kind of latency you get with a gamepad, and Carmack complains that the latency on the gamepads has gotten too long. He's probably right that it is an overlooked problem. The new version of Kinect is supposed to have greatly reduced latency. One or two frames. I can't remember. But it will still probably be a bit laggy. It will probably be suitable for a lot of things, just not the kinds of games that Carmack makes.
The founder of Codemasters said something similar about Xbox One and the switch to digital.And he mentioned that he thinks within a few years we should get no optical drive SKU consoles, that digital is obviously the future and clearly superior. He mentioned his fondness for his Encyclopedia Britannica collection, but that at the end of the day it's just far superior to have things in the cloud.
Physical media is like "having a dead body handcuffed" to Xbox One
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articl...ike-having-a-dead-body-handcuffed-to-xbox-one
I still don't think it's up developers/publishers to make that decision. The mass market and internet infrastructure dictates that, not the other way around.
But everyone of those same people will try to rush it, and will hope a dedicated audience repeatedly paying for content and subscription services will makeup for it. I don't think every game should become an online platform within itself though, especially because that kind of over-investment is just asking for trouble.
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Bigdou's comment which I agreed with was:
"But that's how it works for them. They use as much money as they can to create exposure for their product in any way possible. Even if it could fail, they will do everything they can to brute-force some marketshare into some semblance of success"
I would say the relationship Nokia is categorically consistent with his comment above.
MS is a business with billions of dollars on tap. What do you expect them to do? Google could be accused of doing the same thing. Google's cash cow allows it to aggressively enter and operate in new markets with little or no profits until that business become self sustainable.
MS operates like any big business does. Its has all the flaws of a big business too.
Its debatable and the subject of much controversy to say the least but it's also off topic. Regardless its consistent with BigDuo's point about MS's approach.
Debatable and wishful thinking are not the same thing.
MS didnt make Nokia do anything. The Nokia board chose their course.
MS does brute force to some degree but thats also a cop out that people use to hide behind their dislike of MS. MS has been an upstart in nearly every industry it enters... I wouldnt say that being one of the largest R&D corporations on earth and applying those ideas to market which they havent entered or been succesful in previously is brute forcing...
If thats the case, then Google brute forced its way into Search and phones... no one says that though. Nope... only MS uses its money to get into industries.
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