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BSG "Definitely the last Season"
- Thread starter Bouncing Zabaglione Bros.
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I think you need to look up the definition of opinion.
I didn't waste my time reading the rest of your post (or your earlier one for that matter) because civilised discussion is clearly not "your thing".
I liked all the seasons of BSG as well as the final episode. Deal with it.
It's the best show ever "because God had a plan". Just like we see around us that supposed plan we are told exists sucks for everyone working that plan.
I'm ok with having religion(s) play part in a sci-fi show, but all events coming up to "God having a plan" is the biggest crap ever. If you disagree on that, it really is a matter of you being wrong about it. I'm with Dooby on this, not all opinions are equal.
I'm ok with having religion(s) play part in a sci-fi show, but all events coming up to "God having a plan" is the biggest crap ever. If you disagree on that, it really is a matter of you being wrong about it. I'm with Dooby on this, not all opinions are equal.
digitalwanderer
Legend
Is god's plan to keep having humans develop AI that wipes them out to almost nothing forcing them to rebuild again until they advance enough to develop AI that wipes them out to almost nothing and continue the cycle forever?
If so, stupid god.
If so, stupid god.
No, you got it all wrong there - it wasn't an intelligent show, but a show about "intelligent design"
I'd like to know if the church (partly) financed the production or such.
GRRM (author of the ongoing Ice and Fire series of epic fantasy) on the BSG ending and more.
DAVID GUIVANT
Newcomer
Only seen 6 episodes of the 4th season, didn't got me as hooked as the 3rd one.
I agree with you I don't know where it's going?
Everyone's a cylon?
I just finished watching my NuBSG DVD box set, and my final impression is both "Whee!", and "Meh!"
Lots of spoilers ahead, no point in putting 'em all inside tags. If you haven't watched, proceed at your own peril, and all of that.
From reading through most of this thread, it seems many here did not appreciate the prophetic aspects of the plot of the show. For me, that was absolutely the bits I enjoyed the most, BY FAR. I'm a total sucker for prophecies, myths and mysticism, pre-determined destinies in movies and TV series, all that shit. There was a lot of that in Babylon 5
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I found it fascinating that the human Cylons had their own mythology, and five hidden models, and all of that. I figured Helen would be the fifth, seeing as she did trip Baltar's cylon detector when she was introduced to the show, but wasn't sure how she would be handled once the first four of the five were revealed. They did an OK job there, Helen aboard the baseship was a fascinating person, calm and relaxed, even regal you might say, but later after joining the fleet she regressed back to her old obnoxious behavior, which I found truly irritating.
So the mythicism in BSG is what made me want to continue watching the show. I did totally not enjoy the daytime soap opera aspects of the show, at all. I thought all of that was utter bullshit, it's been done a million times before on TV, all of it, and often a lot better than in BSG. Most of all that crap amounted to, "I used to love you until you did X, and now I'm gonna scowl at you and be really angry, then drink an entire bottle of hard liquor (which comes from where exactly after 4 years in space??) and feel really sorry for myself."
Where BSG really failed, the stupid soapy bits aside, was where the writers fumbled the ball with their own mysticism, leaving some aspects of it dangling, or worse, turn out to be wrong or meaningless.
Their biggest mythos fails IMO include Hera, who was supposed to be so super important she warranted a suicidal rescue mission in the final episode and ultimately ended up not being important at all,
Roslin, who I interpreted to be "the dying leader" that would lead the tribes to Earth, but not survive the journey, Roslin survived the journey, and she did not lead the way.
Starbuck and her fate. Ok, I get it. Angel, deus ex machina and all of that. But it's unfulfilling. So angels are issued with brand-new 1970s-era Vipers now? It would have been interesting to have that bit explained and explored more thoroughly than just have her vanish into thin air at the end of the finale.
...And, as an extension of Roslin/Starbuck, all of the Lords of Kobol and their religion, Pythia and all of that. Instead, all focus in season 4 transformed towards the Cylons' "one true god", and the Lords of Kobol were barely mentioned at all again. Too many protests from the religious crazies in the US forced them out of the picture?
I also think the fact that none of the main characters are particularly likable is a pretty huge fail. Ok, so Ron D. Moore didn't want another Star Trek where humanity is perfect and all of that shit, fine. But they went too far the other direction. Fucking everyone is a chain-smoking and chronically depressed, anti-social nervous wreck, alcoholic, psychotic or ALL OF THE ABOVE. It gets a bit much, you know?
Of the main cast, the only characters I can remotely stand are Baltar, Starbuck, Tigh and Roslin, and the last is only because she's mostly so beige she just doesn't stand out very much compared to the others, and the first because he's a really fascinating and well-written character and played so exquisitely well. Baltar's totally insane of course, and thus not really a pleasant guy at all.
Several of the other cast members are also extremely good actors, like the one playing Caprica Six for example, but her character is so mentally fuc... Sorry, "fracked", up, that it's a miracle she can survive at all. Basically all of the human Cylons are hugely mentally unstable, Boomer, Leoben and that old frack Cavil in particular. It's a miracle they could accomplish anything.
Chief Tyrol, I can't even stand seeing his big hamfaced mug, is the biggest fracking idiot I've ever seen, he should have been spaced years ago. I really hate that utter moron ever since the first season where he couldn't add 1 and 1 together to come up with Boomer being a Cylon infiltrator.
The one time I respected and enjoyed him was when he was examining the temple on the algae planet and belted Baltar in the face with a pistol in the (later all unfortunately made entirely redundant by the writers not following through with their own groundwork they started laying), and then he goes back to being eternally and irredeemably stupid again the very next episode.
But yeah, overall and despite its failings it's clearly some of the best sci-fi I've watched since B5 went off the airwaves. Not that there's been all that much of it, even including movies.
Lots of spoilers ahead, no point in putting 'em all inside tags. If you haven't watched, proceed at your own peril, and all of that.
From reading through most of this thread, it seems many here did not appreciate the prophetic aspects of the plot of the show. For me, that was absolutely the bits I enjoyed the most, BY FAR. I'm a total sucker for prophecies, myths and mysticism, pre-determined destinies in movies and TV series, all that shit. There was a lot of that in Babylon 5
(basically the whole plot hinges on stuff like that, with the Sinclair/Velen connection)
I found it fascinating that the human Cylons had their own mythology, and five hidden models, and all of that. I figured Helen would be the fifth, seeing as she did trip Baltar's cylon detector when she was introduced to the show, but wasn't sure how she would be handled once the first four of the five were revealed. They did an OK job there, Helen aboard the baseship was a fascinating person, calm and relaxed, even regal you might say, but later after joining the fleet she regressed back to her old obnoxious behavior, which I found truly irritating.
So the mythicism in BSG is what made me want to continue watching the show. I did totally not enjoy the daytime soap opera aspects of the show, at all. I thought all of that was utter bullshit, it's been done a million times before on TV, all of it, and often a lot better than in BSG. Most of all that crap amounted to, "I used to love you until you did X, and now I'm gonna scowl at you and be really angry, then drink an entire bottle of hard liquor (which comes from where exactly after 4 years in space??) and feel really sorry for myself."
Where BSG really failed, the stupid soapy bits aside, was where the writers fumbled the ball with their own mysticism, leaving some aspects of it dangling, or worse, turn out to be wrong or meaningless.
Their biggest mythos fails IMO include Hera, who was supposed to be so super important she warranted a suicidal rescue mission in the final episode and ultimately ended up not being important at all,
Roslin, who I interpreted to be "the dying leader" that would lead the tribes to Earth, but not survive the journey, Roslin survived the journey, and she did not lead the way.
Starbuck and her fate. Ok, I get it. Angel, deus ex machina and all of that. But it's unfulfilling. So angels are issued with brand-new 1970s-era Vipers now?
It would have been interesting to have that bit explained and explored more thoroughly than just have her vanish into thin air at the end of the finale....And, as an extension of Roslin/Starbuck, all of the Lords of Kobol and their religion, Pythia and all of that. Instead, all focus in season 4 transformed towards the Cylons' "one true god", and the Lords of Kobol were barely mentioned at all again. Too many protests from the religious crazies in the US forced them out of the picture?
I also think the fact that none of the main characters are particularly likable is a pretty huge fail. Ok, so Ron D. Moore didn't want another Star Trek where humanity is perfect and all of that shit, fine. But they went too far the other direction. Fucking everyone is a chain-smoking and chronically depressed, anti-social nervous wreck, alcoholic, psychotic or ALL OF THE ABOVE. It gets a bit much, you know?
Of the main cast, the only characters I can remotely stand are Baltar, Starbuck, Tigh and Roslin, and the last is only because she's mostly so beige she just doesn't stand out very much compared to the others, and the first because he's a really fascinating and well-written character and played so exquisitely well. Baltar's totally insane of course, and thus not really a pleasant guy at all.
Several of the other cast members are also extremely good actors, like the one playing Caprica Six for example, but her character is so mentally fuc... Sorry, "fracked", up, that it's a miracle she can survive at all. Basically all of the human Cylons are hugely mentally unstable, Boomer, Leoben and that old frack Cavil in particular. It's a miracle they could accomplish anything.
Chief Tyrol, I can't even stand seeing his big hamfaced mug, is the biggest fracking idiot I've ever seen, he should have been spaced years ago. I really hate that utter moron ever since the first season where he couldn't add 1 and 1 together to come up with Boomer being a Cylon infiltrator.
The one time I respected and enjoyed him was when he was examining the temple on the algae planet and belted Baltar in the face with a pistol in the (later all unfortunately made entirely redundant by the writers not following through with their own groundwork they started laying), and then he goes back to being eternally and irredeemably stupid again the very next episode.
But yeah, overall and despite its failings it's clearly some of the best sci-fi I've watched since B5 went off the airwaves. Not that there's been all that much of it, even including movies.
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