Best looking games of 2015 *spawn

[Nesh]

What's a post by Nesh got to do with me? I'm not his PR man.

Perhaps I have hurt some feelings and anyone who could be my friend is automatically evil as he has potentially joined forces with the dark side

edit: He also left out the "looks old gen" comment on purpose to make me sound meaner. He makes me sad

 

[L. Scofield]

That's DSoup being facetious and everyone (else) appreciating it's rivalry in the spirit of fun as the reaction is overly emotional and there's no attempt to justify his assertion with some 'objective' points. It's a subjective opinion dressed in boisterous language.

Furthermore, even if Nesh was being serious, he's comparing like-for-like games and not saying someone's like of corridor shooter visuals is wrong because the game isn't an open world game with time-of-day.

So 'objective' justifications are the problem? Then what's this:

https://forum.beyond3d.com/posts/1889441/

 

[MrFox]

So 'objective' justifications are the problem? Then what's this:

https://forum.beyond3d.com/posts/1889441/

None of my business, but I believe that post is from Clukos, who happens to be not Nesh, who is also not DSoup. Also, Clukos precised afterward...

(..)Of course, like you said it's all opinions at the end.(..)

(..)Yeah, it's all subjective.(..)

 

[Shifty Geezer]

So 'objective' justifications are the problem? Then what's this:

https://forum.beyond3d.com/posts/1889441/

That's before my new ruling on the matter. Had Clukos posted that in 'The Order' thread or more importantly, in the 'Battlefront' thread after my recent epiphany, I'd have removed it.

I'm not going to retroactively remove every misplaced 'objective' game comparison on the forum!

And what's with all the rolly-eyes? Seems to me three-for-three you've used them not when someone's done something stupid, but when you've missed the point.

 

[Clukos]

I am also saying "in my opinion" at the end of that post. It just happens that i like the things The Order does better(the ones i listed and again, that's just my opinion) than Battlefront more than the other way around.

 

[Nesh]

That's Nesh being facetious and everyone (else) appreciating it's rivalry in the spirit of fun as the reaction is overly emotional and there's no attempt to justify his assertion with some 'objective' points. It's a subjective opinion dressed in boisterous language.

Furthermore, even if Nesh was being serious, he's comparing like-for-like games and not saying someone's like of corridor shooter visuals is wrong because the game isn't an open world game with time-of-day.

Edity: Nesh. Nesh was cited though Scofield responded to DSoup.

Yep I did use Withcer 3 as a comparison intentionally as it was also an open game. And I was indeed trying to be facetious at the same time (mimicking the overreacting attitude of the PC MASTER RACE).
To be honest I do prefer Xeno's art direction and scale more than Withcer 3's. But the performance discrepancy between Wii and the other consoles doesnt help the art direction compensate enough for its shortcomings. There are games that manage to compensate lower performance with a unique or even unorthodox rendering approaches (i.e Zone Of The Enders 2) that make a game look completely different and very stylized so there is no point to compare it with a game that is very great looking but uses the more direct and traditional approach.

Where in Zone Of The Enders 2 we didnt care for example about high polygon, high res textures, multi lighting sources, normal maps etc when comparing it to lets say Panzer Dragoon Orta, we can draw comparisons between Xenoblade Cronicles' textures, lighting, polygons, normal maps, shaders and other open world games. Perhaps if Xeboblade was made on a PS4 or Xbox One taking advantage of better hardware, its art direction combined with more detailed assets would have made it much more pleasing than Witcher 3 without having to surpass or even reach the level of asset detail on Witcher 3.

It is a huge visual and technical accomplishment and deserves praise, probably more praise than some of the other next gen games on PS4 that may look better because it was done on a Wii U. But I d still wouldnt put it as the best looking game.

Now if the poll was "best art direction" or "technical achievement" that would have favored it a bit better in my case.

 

[pjbliverpool]

I am also saying "in my opinion" at the end of that post. It just happens that i like the things The Order does better(the ones i listed and again, that's just my opinion) than Battlefront more than the other way around.

Conversely it's the things Battlefront does better (in my opinion) than the Order that I prefer. Those being geometry, lighting and effects work. Arguably texturing too but I'm not sure I've seen enough of the Order to judge that one.

For the record my preference for Battlefront has nothing to do with it being 60fps or more open. I just think it looks visually more impressive. i.e. I think you can put screenshots of the two side by side and say yep, the BF ones look better. All in my opinion of course. And naturally I'm not basing the comparison on screenshots but on gameplay video. I only use the screenshot example to point out the irrelevance of the frame rate to me.

Some examples of what I'm talking about:

https://assets.vg247.com/current//2015/07/battlefront_leaked_alpha_tatooine_1.jpg
http://media.gamerevolution.com/images/galleries/2253/22469709434_f74f8f463f_o.png
http://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/starwarsbattlefront-2015-11-18-08-45-22-024.jpg
http://cogconnected.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/battlefront_xwing.jpg

 

[Billy Idol]

But you need to see BF on PS4 to compare imo. I just fired it up and played two rounds of the new maps.

Aliasing all over the place. Endor is different and much better due to the organic setting, but the other maps suffer from aliasing issues. BF PS4 can for me personally never win a graphics contest...to much issues with the basics.

If we on the other hand talk about the real life mod @4k

...ok, this looks astoundingly good!!

What The Order also excels imo is in animation.

Furthermore face models. Compare TO faces to the BF SW Luke Skywalker face...

Cloth physics in TO is great and just feels natural.

For me TO excels in having nearly no flaws and being at least 'good' in every category I personally value a lot.

Same goes for Rise of the TR. No flaws for me:

This game is also open world with larger maps (and much much more complex interactivity with a character that can climb everything!) than BF:SW.

 

[L. Scofield]

That's before my new ruling on the matter. Had Clukos posted that in 'The Order' thread or more importantly, in the 'Battlefront' thread after my recent epiphany, I'd have removed it.

I'm not going to retroactively remove every misplaced 'objective' game comparison on the forum!

And what's with all the rolly-eyes? Seems to me three-for-three you've used them not when someone's done something stupid, but when you've missed the point.

So discussion about graphics is now banned in a forum about discussion about graphics. Nice

And why? Because some people can't handle somebody disagreeing with their preferred first place.

I am also saying "in my opinion" at the end of that post. It just happens that i like the things The Order does better(the ones i listed and again, that's just my opinion) than Battlefront more than the other way around.

Contrary to popular belief, opinions are not by nature subjective. Does adding the expression "IMO" to a statement such as "the Wii U is more powerful than the PS4" mean that it cannot be argued against?

But you need to see BF on PS4 to compare imo. I just fired it up and played two rounds of the new maps.

Aliasing all over the place. Endor is different and much better due to the organic setting, but the other maps suffer from aliasing issues. BF PS4 can for me personally never win a graphics contest...to much issues with the basics.

If we on the other hand talk about the real life mod @4k

...ok, this looks astoundingly good!!

What The Order also excels imo is in animation.

Furthermore face models. Compare TO faces to the BF SW Luke Skywalker face...

Cloth physics in TO is great and just feels natural.

For me TO excels in having nearly no flaws and being at least 'good' in every category I personally value a lot.

Same goes for Rise of the TR. No flaws for me:

This game is also open world with larger maps (and much much more complex interactivity with a character that can climb everything!) than BF:SW.

You wasted your time, your post will be removed by Shifty any minute now ... oh no, wait, you included IMO in your post, your safe

 

[Clukos]

Sure, you can argue that Battlefront is using better material shading, animation, character models and AA than The Order. Or you can simply argue that those don't matter as much to you, therefore making the game less appealing.

 

[L. Scofield]

Sure, you can argue that Battlefront is using better material shading, animation, character models and AA than The Order. Or you can simply argue that those don't matter as much to you, therefore making the game less appealing.

Or, because apparently this is a subjective discussion, I can simply say: "BF is way better at everything, IMO".

 

[Deleted member 86764]

Give it break, Scofield.

 

[Clukos]

Or, because apparently this is a subjective discussion, I can simply say: "BF is way better at everything, IMO".

You can say that. Because games aren't only numbers and a certain level of artistry is involved as well everyone can have their own opinion about the end result. The thread title is "best looking", someone may think Battlefront is the best, someone else may think Ori and the Blind Forest is the best, nobody is wrong and nobody is right.

 

[HTupolev]

You can make objective statements about a game's visuals. Analytic specular reflections in Halo 3 use a microfacet BRDF based on Cook-Torrance. The bloom effect is achieved through bilinear scaling and makes use of a fixed-point 8-bit-per-channel backbuffer seven stops dimmer than the main LDR buffer, allowing the game to avoid clamping artifacts out to much higher-contrast scenes than most seventh-gen titles. LOD0 models in Halo Reach usually have greater polygon density than models used for comparable items in Halo 3.

"Best looking" implies a human observer. What looks best to a person is dependent on how they perceive the results of the above, the decision is dependent on the subject, thus we have subjectiveness.

A discussion of best looking game should be expected to consist of considerations of how objective things apply to people's own preferences. Saying that it's subjective doesn't mean that there's nothing to talk about, both because there are objective realities beneath our decisions, and because humans are often similar enough to each other that, even if we can't come to perfect agreement, we can often bring ourselves to a point where we understand where other humans are coming from.

Or, because apparently this is a subjective discussion, I can simply say: "BF is way better at everything, IMO".

Yes, although it's not a terribly interesting comment.

 

[Rangers]

Out of the choices I'd probably have to go with Battlefront or The Order. I haven't seen a ton of either.

720P is just too far on XBO SWBF, I played a little and it's oddly blurry-yet-photo realistic, but I might have to give the nod to 900P PS4 version of Battlefront.

 

[Shifty Geezer]

So discussion about graphics is now banned in a forum about discussion about graphics. Nice

I'm gonna hijack your rolley-eyes here because it really is warranted.

Discussion of graphics isn't banned and there's no point getting your knickers in a twist. One is free to dissect the technical aspects of a game, and even, as appropriate, make comparison to other titles. "The global illumination solution in this game falls short of the global illumination in that game." What one can't do is respond to a subjective, enthusiastic "these are the best graphics ever in a computer game!" with a debate centred around a different style of game with no meaningful comparison points*. Any such debate would have to be dealt with piecemeal comparing the different aspects of the titles. In this particular thread's case, a "compare and contrast BF and TO" thread would be suitable discussion, but claiming someone's wrong for preferring the look of either is pointless and just noise. And because it's a common enough occurence notably in exclusive game threads for any platform, it's something I'll be making an effort to purge in future, whether you agree or not.

* You may prefer people word themselves "I find these the most visually appealing graphics I've yet seen" instead of 'best' because you feel best is objective, but tough - people aren't going to change their vernacular to suit your tastes so you should just chill and adapt to people's use of language. "Best" means "my preferred" and pretty much everyone else gets that and is comfortable with it.

 

[djskribbles]

 

[L. Scofield]

I'm gonna hijack your rolley-eyes here because it really is warranted.

Discussion of graphics isn't banned and there's no point getting your knickers in a twist. One is free to dissect the technical aspects of a game, and even, as appropriate, make comparison to other titles. "The global illumination solution in this game falls short of the global illumination in that game." What one can't do is respond to a subjective, enthusiastic "these are the best graphics ever in a computer game!" with a debate centred around a different style of game with no meaningful comparison points*. Any such debate would have to be dealt with piecemeal comparing the different aspects of the titles. In this particular thread's case, a "compare and contrast BF and TO" thread would be suitable discussion, but claiming someone's wrong for preferring the look of either is pointless and just noise. And because it's a common enough occurence notably in exclusive game threads for any platform, it's something I'll be making an effort to purge in future, whether you agree or not.

* You may prefer people word themselves "I find these the most visually appealing graphics I've yet seen" instead of 'best' because you feel best is objective, but tough - people aren't going to change their vernacular to suit your tastes so you should just chill and adapt to people's use of language. "Best" means "my preferred" and pretty much everyone else gets that and is comfortable with it.

"Best" doesn't mean "preferred" in the vernacular, it means "better than the competition". That type of discussion is argued by facts ("meaningful comparison points"), which means it's objective, not subjective.

You say it's wrong to disagree with a particular choice by way of a game of a different style. That means that if I can't disagree with TO by championing BF, then neither can people disagree with BF by way of TO and yet, there are plenty of examples of that happening in this thread. I don't see you complaining about them.

Now, as for dismissing a choice for having a certain look, that's on you, trying to automatically disregard games for being open-world.

 

[bunge]

"Best" doesn't mean "preferred" in the vernacular, it means "better than the competition". That type of discussion is argued by facts ("meaningful comparison points"), which means it's objective, not subjective.

Was your initial "" objective or subjective?

 

[L. Scofield]

Was your initial "" objective or subjective?

Humor is subjective.