Anand has Farcry 1.2 patch and tests SM3.0
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Hanners said:Ruined said:
I noticed that.
Which begs the question as to how/why 6800 boards are getting increased performance in the 3.0 shader path over the 2.0 path, despite (assumedly) not being able to make sure of those 3.0 shader features...
They say this on the page before the "setup" page though:
Seems to indicate that they used DX9.0c.
FS just most likely cut 'n pasted the test setup section from another article and forgot to update it.
I dont want to question nVidia with the improvements here, but do these drivers improve performance across the board for other programs or are they a special set of drivers optimised for Far Cry.
They seem to show massive improvements and differences in some reviews with AA and AF enabled, and sites dont seem to mention that they have used the filtering optimisations to obtain the new scores.
(20+fps ~50%) - (eg 45fps-> 69fps at 1600x1200 - 4AAx8xAF volcano demo)
Shaders 3.0 arent producing these huge improvements (eg 39-45fps or say about 15-20% in best cases) - the optimised filtering is (over 50% at times). I wish the sites would benchmark with the optimisations both on and off to show the differences.
If these are optimised scores only, im sure one could run performance/optimised settings (or drivers) on the radeon series and increase the results too. Is 16xAF settings available in Far Cry, or are reviewers recommended to use only 8xAF for optimised performance?
One last thing, do the updated PowerVR shading Demos from last year now run ok, with dx9c and shader model 3.0 drivers? Is there any other shader 3.0 demos out there to test out performance & capabilities?
They seem to show massive improvements and differences in some reviews with AA and AF enabled, and sites dont seem to mention that they have used the filtering optimisations to obtain the new scores.
(20+fps ~50%) - (eg 45fps-> 69fps at 1600x1200 - 4AAx8xAF volcano demo)
Shaders 3.0 arent producing these huge improvements (eg 39-45fps or say about 15-20% in best cases) - the optimised filtering is (over 50% at times). I wish the sites would benchmark with the optimisations both on and off to show the differences.
If these are optimised scores only, im sure one could run performance/optimised settings (or drivers) on the radeon series and increase the results too. Is 16xAF settings available in Far Cry, or are reviewers recommended to use only 8xAF for optimised performance?
One last thing, do the updated PowerVR shading Demos from last year now run ok, with dx9c and shader model 3.0 drivers? Is there any other shader 3.0 demos out there to test out performance & capabilities?
Galduta said:http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/far_cry_sm30/
nv 40 with AF optimizations OFF
nv 40 with AF optimizations ON
Are you sure those are with optimizations off because Tech-Report got similar numbers to Firingsquad in their test and they left the drivers to default (which would mean optimizations are left on). The FiringSquad review also doesn't indicate they turned it off.
Why even leave the AF optimizations enabled for the NV boards? When an app requests AF and trilinear is enabled, trilinear filtering is performed on all texture stages by ATI boards. Unless all testing is being done by just using the CPs to force AF.
Anands results are pretty strange. The FS results show that the 6800 takes a bigger performance hit than the X800 with AA/AF (probably the AF component) which is what we have come to expect. It’s like AF wasn’t even enabled on the 6800 in the Anandtech test -- they’re taking much less of a performance hit with AA/AF than the X800’s.
gordon said:Galduta said:http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/far_cry_sm30/
nv 40 with AF optimizations OFF
nv 40 with AF optimizations ON
Are you sure those are with optimizations off because Tech-Report got similar numbers to Firingsquad in their test and they left the drivers to default (which would mean optimizations are left on). The FiringSquad review also doesn't indicate they turned it off.
Hi guys, thanks for the email pointing me to this thread, been awhile since I've been on here sorry.
To answer your questions, yes I cut and pasted the system setup page wrong, when copying it over from another article I forgot to update the DX9 section, I will fix that now. I also missed copying my conclusion from the template I was using, that will be fixed shortly!
To address your questions on performance, it looks to me like AT is running his "4xAA/8xAF" Far Cry scores with AA disabled. My bet is he is using the control panel to set AA, which doesn't properly apply AA, you have to set it in the app via "r_FSAA_samples" or boot the game up and adjust it manually. In fact, once I try to set 4xAA in the control panel my scores mirror his exactly. I'll go back and re-run those numbers with just 8xAF so you can all see.
Thanks Brandon, the info is muchly appreciated!
Brandon said:gordon said:Galduta said:http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/far_cry_sm30/
nv 40 with AF optimizations OFF
nv 40 with AF optimizations ON
Are you sure those are with optimizations off because Tech-Report got similar numbers to Firingsquad in their test and they left the drivers to default (which would mean optimizations are left on). The FiringSquad review also doesn't indicate they turned it off.
Hi guys, thanks for the email pointing me to this thread, been awhile since I've been on here sorry.
To answer your questions, yes I cut and pasted the system setup page wrong, when copying it over from another article I forgot to update the DX9 section, I will fix that now. I also missed copying my conclusion from the template I was using, that will be fixed shortly!
To address your questions on performance, it looks to me like AT is running his "4xAA/8xAF" Far Cry scores with AA disabled. My bet is he is using the control panel to set AA, which doesn't properly apply AA, you have to set it in the app via "r_FSAA_samples" or boot the game up and adjust it manually. In fact, once I try to set 4xAA in the control panel my scores mirror his exactly. I'll go back and re-run those numbers with just 8xAF so you can all see.
Yes guys this is something that needs to be properly explained. With Nvidia boards. Anti Aliasing is disabled in 1.2 Patch with Control panel Settings. You have to set the Control Panel to Application preference. And Set In game AA Options to Medium/High (This enables 4x on Nvidia cards)
I believe ati handles this option differently.
Well if it turns out that nVidia's new "big" performance lead on ATi in FarCry is because the reviewers didn't have AA enabled than I think you'll smell a LOT more than that!thop said:
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Brandon, the numbers between you and AT vary considerably. It almost appears one or more of the cards may not be using AA on both sites benches. Is there a chance the ATI card was not using AA? There is a thread below where a user with the 4.6 drivers selected AA thru the in-game menu and it was not applied (pic in first post). Yet AA was working great when forced thru the CP. Thanks
http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?t=33765414
http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?t=33765414
hovz said:
Low = 2x for both
med = 4x for both
high = 4x for NV, 6x for ATI
