AMD: R8xx Speculation

How soon will Nvidia respond with GT300 to upcoming ATI-RV870 lineup GPUs

  • Within 1 or 2 weeks

    Votes: 1 0.6%
  • Within a month

    Votes: 5 3.2%
  • Within couple months

    Votes: 28 18.1%
  • Very late this year

    Votes: 52 33.5%
  • Not until next year

    Votes: 69 44.5%

  • Total voters
    155
  • Poll closed .
All I've been told is that it was pushed back to 'next year'. Could be a smokescreen, but somehow I doubt it... I wouldn't be suprised to see a (paper)launch at the end of Q4 09 though... maybe they'll do a similar "Are You Ready?" campaign... trying to keep people from buying competing products already on the market. :p
 
He also had some juicy bits about GT300... pushed back to 2010 supposedly.. confirmed by a major AIC.
Strange - Huddy made a point in mentioning that also, although, of course, that it'd be strictly his own opinion.

I smell FUD here...

All I've been told is that it was pushed back to 'next year'. Could be a smokescreen, but somehow I doubt it... I wouldn't be suprised to see a (paper)launch at the end of Q4 09 though... maybe they'll do a similar "Are You Ready?" campaign... trying to keep people from buying competing products already on the market. :p
Hehe - sounds almost like what's going on just right now.
 
Can we assume that ATi designed Evergreen to be small enough so it could be used as a XBOX720 chip as well (with some small tweaks)?

I know MS would request some proprietary functions aka EDRAM for AA, but the general design could stay the same! That would be one heck of a monster for a console ;).

Back to our beloved PC world, if the chip has dedicated hardware to support VT does it means it will also have access to second GPU address space and registers? How ATi would tackle Virtualisation problem of X2 cards?
 
"EDRAM for AA"

...because all these PC cards are incapable of providing AA at playable framerates...

Anyway, yeah AMD's arch. is very console friendly and MS would be smart to capitalize on the DX11, 45/32/28 nm, GDDR5 wave ASAP, but they haven't given any indication of that being the case.
 
Can we assume that ATi designed Evergreen to be small enough so it could be used as a XBOX720 chip as well (with some small tweaks)?
For the 2011+ timeframe I'd assume any existing hardware right now to be a little underpowered, given that this particular piece will have to last another 3 to 5 years from then on.
 
The reason its a small die is becuase they are using a propiatory inter connect and some new distribution algorythms to achieve a high efficiency four chip 1 card solution.

You heard it first here folks.

*jumps out nearest window*
 
thar she blows:

Evergreen.JPG


There is a DX11 gaming system lurking deep in Computex but we managed to hunt it down as usual. We can't provide you a close up right now but judging from the looks of it, the card is about 8.5" long, dual slot and requires a 6-pin power. This card probably belongs to the mainstream segment (RV840), part of the AMD's DX11 Evergreen family. The silicon is at A10 revision right now and we can expect another spin before it enters mass production. Targeted launch of the first DX11 part is in September before the Windows 7 hits the market on October 22nd. Some benchmarks later...
http://vr-zone.com/articles/amd-dx11-r800-card-exposed/7154.html?doc=7154

Cooling setup imho is reminiscent of RV740.
 
So it seems that the wafer on display was indeed not one of rv770/790's successor.

In terms of marketing position? no In terms of performance it could be a good deal faster. I can see a 5770 or something like that shipping for $169/179. (assuming the 5870 goes for 269.)

This also holds true to the "multiple cards at launch" that we got earlier this week.
 
Actually that could quite likely be Radeon 5850 (Rv840) since the x850 cards won't be using the same chips as the x870 cards anymore. At least according to rumor.

Regards,
SB
 
Using the same chip for x850 and x870 has served them well so far. Why bother with changing it? Is it because d3d11 makes serving different segments from the same chip impractical?
 
I think it's safe to assume there'll be two speed grades per chip. So it's really a matter of designing the chips so that they don't overlap in performance.

Jawed
 
Yes, this is like R600->RV670 - the ALU/TU/RBE counts were unchanged and clocks got bumped by 4%, the bus got chopped in half and the GDDR3 clock was raised by 36%.

Except if the bus got chopped in half and memory clock was raised, Evergreen would have ~45mm² to fill with stuff. That's a hell of a lot of stuff, since I estimate that RV740's clusters are around 52mm².

Or, that's 45mm² of D3D11-specific additions :oops:

Or, that's 45mm² of D3D11 stuff + architectural re-jigging.

It's conceivable that the architecture needs a shake-up to handle the memory-intensive nature of D3D11.

I honestly did not think of RV670. This kind of does sound like a similar transition though with a twist obviously being D3D11. At least regarding this particular chip and assuming their is another.
 
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