AMD: R7xx Speculation

If the 9800 GTX was temporarily on sale for ~$235 with rebates, why is it so much of a stretch to believe that it could go lower than that upon the introduction of a strong new competing card? But here we go again spinning wheels. No one can provide "proof" with regards to something that hasn't even happened yet, unless you have a time machine. If the respective companies are smart, then the 9800 GTX will be priced to compete with the 4850. There's no way they could charge a heavy premium for the GTX unless performance is actually significantly better (which most likely is not the case).

Do you seriously believe that vendors will start throwing around rebates for the 4850 after 1-2 weeks on the market? That's dumb, unless they want to hurt their margins. After all, offering a rebate still means the obligation to give a full credit for that amount. As long as performance is there (as it should be), and feature set is there (as it is), then there is no reason to heavily discount 4850 from the MSRP.

Let's just hope that you understand some day. Until then, stop the silliness. And here's a tip: a card that goes for $220 after rebates is more than 70% more expensive than a card that goes for $129 after rebates. In other words, totally different price point, as it should be based on the reported performance differences.

 

Overdrive allows upto 700 MHz (and 1200 MHz for VRAM), this is amazing.

 

Because it's not clear that it was (or at least was intended to be $235), perhaps it was a mistake on the website's part or nvnews' part. As it stands today, even with rebates, the 9800GTX is at least $250.

No, doesn't mean it couldn't happen. But the "battle of price" will last longer than a few weeks. When the dust settles, the 4850 could be close in price to the 8800 GT.

What like understanding that some people don't like counting rebates when comparing prices?

 

In any case I'm just waiting for game benches now that the actual cards have been leaked.

It's a bit worrisome that there's nothing about the 4870's though.

 

Ok, you keep believing that, and we'll leave it at that......

 

Over here it is set to be priced the same as a 8800GT 512MB, that is ~250$. That is in Sweden a country with ridicolously high taxes.

1 US-dollar = 6,08650136 swedish kronor
http://www.prisjakt.nu/produkt.php?p=314634

 

Outside the USA, I would agree that the NVIDIA cards seem to be priced astronomically high relative to ATI cards. Why that is I have no idea!

 

Just a note:

The prices on the page linked is inclusive the Swedish VAT of 25%, that we have on top of most things sold.

So the lowest pre-release prices here in Sweden seems to be around 200US$ exlusive VAT.

 

Not true here in Russia at all.

 

Not true in New Zealand either.

 

Seems you can buy full HD4870 stock at once:
http://www.hpm-computer.de/index.php?cat=c1762_ATI-Radeon-HD-4870.html
...999.999,00 EUR

 

That's obviously a placeholder price.

 

Interestingly, they show a launch date of June 16,17,18 2008 for the 4870. Probably meaningless though (and why 3 launch dates?)

 

Reading through this thread there were a few mentions of how AFR and frame stuttering are related and could be addressed - do a lot of current titles that scale well in Crossfire (or on the X2 models) use AFR? What is the most common crossfire mode?

I greatly dislike AFR because of the increased lag in multiplayer games.

 

I believe CF is AFR only.

 

Shouldn't you really be more comparing 4850 price to 9800GTX, since that will be it's direct performance competitor?

Like I said, dodgy vendors...especially tiger.

Personally I never buy but from newegg, because you know you can return it easily, etc. It's worth the extra $10. Oh and Tiger owns CompUSA now I believe..

 

It is definitely reassuring to see that prices are competitive in these places!

 

Ah, I was under the impression than SuperTiling and Scissor modes still worked, but you are correct, it appears that R670 only supports AFR, which is a pity. I hope this is something that R770 addresses.

 

Absolutely, the 4850 will basically be going up against the 9800 GTX (at least at the moment) in terms of it's closest priced competitor, and the 4850 should fare quite well in comparison. The only thing that NVIDIA can do in the short run is slash prices on the 9800 GTX, but that won't be a viable long-term strategy.

 

Tiger didn't have the best reputation for rebates, but that was a few years ago. I don't know if things have improved since. I do know that CUSA went out of business recently, and Tiger bought CompUSA.com, so consider them one and the same. (Whoops--Rangers, I missed your edit.)

I haven't had trouble with orders from Buy.com.