*Amazon FireTV

I could not finish a post yesterday, one has to sleep at some point and damned are those days spent on the phone exhausting...

I was indeed considering the Snapdragon 805 as an option. Tegra K1 would be nice if an only it can be stuck to gddr5 memory otherwise I think it's going to be severely bandwidth constrained.

The system is rumored to be the size of the ps one (the redesign) so pretty much I don't expect crazy hardware. On the plus side and going back to the price argument, such a set-up will definitely sell for less than 300$. For the ref INtel NUC powered by a dual core baytrail costs 149$. I think INtel makes a profit at this price.
Amazon seems to sell its device in grey, 149$ would be a right price for a snapdragon set-up with 4GB of RAM, the perfs should be a match for the ps360 but the extra may help doing better.
If more it sells for more than 149$ I strongly doubt the value proposal of the product.
The dream set-up for me would be the tegra k1 with half the ram but GDD5 RAM. It could sell mostly for the same 149$. More interesting on the tech side, should really offer more than the ps360.

Now we is the value, for hardcore there is not much, are AAA games to be port? If yes how many? Those they care about?
It is really an unproven from a hardcore pov, though it could prove to be a nice successor for the Wii. I see my friend kids loves the wii, flash games, etc. for 149$ it can be an impulse buy for parents, plenty of cheap if not free Android games, some higher quality content would be the icing on the cake.
Could prove interesting for casual too, provides lots of functionality (for me the odds that the system runs Android are 99.99%), social games.

For more traditional content, I think they should not focus on blockbusters ala BF4 or COD, but those pc games that are not demanding and have a connected aspect, mmo, rts, etc.
Lots of those games are designed with low specs in mind.

From the console realm, games designed for kids (though they can attract older audience), skylander, sonic, rayman, lego games, etc.

Now with snapdragon inside I've personally no interest in the product, the API overhead is going to hurt the perfs and I don't believe Amazon will go for a low level API.
Tegra K1 with GDDR5 would make me more comfortable as far as specs are concerned but it is likely to be a non option / not doable.

May be you are right (ToTTenTraz), some properly salvaged and low clocked Kaveri could be an option. But that is from a technical pov, for the business side they might want to iterate faster than other console manufacturers and big ARM based SoC are the only options, though even here the number of possible providers is shrinking fast.

I would discard any custom SoC, as Amazon might know really the product is risky, it is bet or a first attempt / testing market reaction before more serious hardware becomes available, I can see them invest a lot in R&D for the hardware.
 
Will I be able to pick the Amazon console up from Walmart or Best Buy? If not then I've little concern of the competition it will provide to Sony or MS. I'd be more concerned with support it gets from the rest of the industry. If the machine is only available through Amazon the that is a narrow channel indeed.
 
Will I be able to pick the Amazon console up from Walmart or Best Buy? If not then I've little concern of the competition it will provide to Sony or MS. I'd be more concerned with support it gets from the rest of the industry. If the machine is only available through Amazon the that is a narrow channel indeed.
I would think it's not going to be different than for the kindle which in the US was widely available.
why would Amazon close door on them-selves?

I agree that convincing editors to port games is going to be tough.
I've little to no concern for SOny and MSFT they are unlikely to steal costumers from Sony or MSFT.
The bothering matter is more mid/long term, if they get any success it will give others ideas.
Imo the move would be more threatening if it came from Nvidia for example.
In the long run it is the same, my view is that at this point Android is an unstoppable foe, it will invade TV (laptops too, etc.).
My personal belief is that within a decade, Windows, PC, consoles could be things of the past or really niche product in the personal realm. Pressure will grow stronger and stronger in all the segments Android can reach.
Android may have a second, capitalism like duopoly, who is going to be? I don't know Apple? MSFT? I would put my bet on Apple as they are more vertically integrated than MSFT, they have more grip on their products, can take more radical decisions. Not that I'm gloomy about MSFT doing billions in the professional realm is by no mean gloom, actually I would expect them to be even more profitable.
 
The more I think about it, the more excited I am. A new console entrant? Finally? Maybe we'd have thought Apple or Samsung, not Amazon!

Even if it does have the negative "Android" connotations.

Also I was reminded on GAF that Amazon has been hiring devs for a while, so they will be funding exclusive games, how triple A, I dont know.

Also serves me right not reading the link



So, snapdragon, and "2014". Sadly, always bet on things taking as long as possible in videogaming, so I hope it's not late 2014.

Looks like maybe it would run on the upcoming Adreno 420 GPU then. Which is said to be 40% faster than 330.

Would be no competition for XBO/PS4, in fact depending, might trade blows with PS360 performance wise, which in turn would seem like a tough sell at 300.

I do agree, is there a large market for Android games on the TV anyway? I guess Amazon would/could/attempt to grab the Indie scene with some sort of easy developer friendly systems.

I am meh until I know more, price seems off to me.
 
If it's $199 for comparable hardware, then why would anyone buy an Amazon Console instead of a x360 or ps3? Not for the games, that's for sure.

Maybe the people who don't want to get stuck with ancient DX9-style graphics? Or perhaps the people who have already bought in to the Amazon (or Android) ecosystem and want a compatible device geared towards gaming? Use your imagination.

A micro-console made in 2014 would probably have better GPU and CPU perf. compared to prior gen. consoles, all with superior API support [DX11, OpenGL 4.x, etc.] and feature set [geometry shaders, compute shaders, tesselation, etc.] while consuming roughly 1/20th the power too, with access to the Amazon (or Android) app and social network ecosystem to boot.

I don't think there's anything straghtforward about porting games from a multicore PowerPC/Cell at 3.2GHz to a Cortex A15.

Provided that modern-day API support is included on a micro-console (which is really a given for 2014), any new game that is developed for PC, XboxOne, or PS4 could easily come to the micro-console (and in fact, for new games, this would be much much easier than bringing the same game to prior gen. consoles that support ancient API's and ancient feature sets). Even porting old (prior gen console) games to micro-console is much easier than you think (the main ingredient needed is high enough performance to run the game on a micro-console, in addition to proper gamepad/control mapping).
 
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Maybe the people who don't want to get stuck with ancient DX9-style graphics?
Your average console gamer wouldn't know a compute shader if you smacked them in the rear with it.

Provided that modern-day API support is included on a micro-console (which is really a given for 2014), any new game that is developed for PC, XboxOne, or PS4 could easily come to the micro-console
That's just in theory. In reality, a 'micro-console' would have its own set of (unknown!) quirks and shortcomings that are altogether different than any other current hardware platform. You need a strong set of APIs and other resident software all tuned for gaming - android by itself is not, from everything I've read - as well as the persistent online functionality with handling of accounts, messaging, achievements, cloud storage and whatnot which is obviously NOT going to be entirely built into android, naturally.

You would also need a sophisticated software development kit with all the necessary tools games developers require; compilers, linkers, debugger, things of that nature. Tools that need to be fast, powerful and easy to use. Not an easy thing to manage even for experienced gaming companies (as evidenced by the stumblings by nintendo in the recent wii u retrospective article published a couple weeks ago), and amazon would be entirely new at this game. It's very unlikely they'd get things right on their first try, or even their third.

If you don't have these things from the getgo, it's unlikely a new platform would find much traction, and iterating in the future would not do much to improve matters either. There's a set of big-dogs out there already, and unless there's a really, really strong, compelling reason to go with a newcomer with zero marketshare nobody's gonna want to bother. And just being a bit cheaper or smaller, or a bit faster or drawing less power than one of the existing big-dogs just won't cut it.

If that's all an amazon 'micro-console' has to offer it'll bellyflop spectacularly.
 
Obviously Amazon (or Google or whomever it is) would work closely with an established graphics vendor on both hardware and software tools and support. No one said it would be easy, but it is almost inevitable that Android will continue to grow and evolve as a legitimate gaming platform.
 
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Getting more excited for this console!

Not backing it or anything, just want to watch the interesting fireworks whatever the outcome.
 
Anyone kept track of the sheer volume of consoles/ rumored consoles? Let's see, Xbox, Playstation, WiiU, SteamBox, Ouya, rumored Comcast, rumored Apple, rumored Google, and now rumored Amazon. Throw in a rumor about China having some homegrown's (yeah, its not likely but cannot be discounted.) Who did I forget?

That seems to be a ridiculous number of possibilities.
 
Anyone kept track of the sheer volume of consoles/ rumored consoles? Let's see, Xbox, Playstation, WiiU, SteamBox, Ouya, rumored Comcast, rumored Apple, rumored Google, and now rumored Amazon. Throw in a rumor about China having some homegrown's (yeah, its not likely but cannot be discounted.) Who did I forget?

That seems to be a ridiculous number of possibilities.
Yop lots of movements in living room, look like lots of actors are doing their "opening" (like in chess, not sure the translation is correct) though the action is yet to come.

Anyway even if the living room is a tough place to reach, traditional console vendors are here as well as the Tv service providers (??? not sure about how you call them in US) which are omnipresent nowadays (in my country in a lot of case they are ISP as IPTV i becoming standard), as people get close to the saturation point when it comes to mobile devices, non mobile computer of various form, it is clear to me that even if it is a bloody, risky lots of actors software or hardware will have no other choice than to pursue growth where there is growth potential untouched.
Now all the actors won't choose consoles as the way to extend their reach, lots could go with hdmi sticks, actually for sticks I would think that including a HDMI in as in the xbone would be a clever move, so devices with no serious gaming capabilities but it doesn't mean they will pass on gaming all together, they will do the tons of games (some of are good) you find on iOS or Android and streaming may become more and more relevant (even though my self I'm not fond of that approach). Not that I think that all approaches will succeeded, but big actors putting their weights into the game (read as getting into the living room) even with various succes and approach might make the market instable and more risky for a while (/ till things settle down).
 
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Anyone kept track of the sheer volume of consoles/ rumored consoles? Let's see, Xbox, Playstation, WiiU, SteamBox, Ouya, rumored Comcast, rumored Apple, rumored Google, and now rumored Amazon. Throw in a rumor about China having some homegrown's (yeah, its not likely but cannot be discounted.) Who did I forget?

That seems to be a ridiculous number of possibilities.
Too many can be bad. Splits the userbase too much. Basically looking at another console crash if they aren't careful. In reality, we probably want everything but the big three to fail, or one of them to go belly up and get replaced.
 
I'm obviously curious about the specs of the alleged machine, but I'm really curious about the hardware business plan as well.

If' it's built on mobile tech, will it follow a yearly (or even a every two years) upgrade cycle? With potentially Android as the OS, what kind of hardware access will the developer have? And will that limit performance?

Seems for something that's rumored to be under $300 (whatever that implies), they'd have to be semi-competitive with PS4. It's has to have better performance than last gen consoles, or be Ouya priced.
 
It's going to be the same issue with the Steam boxes.

They have to convince console games publishers to put their titles on this thing, like all the EA stuff (Madden, FIFA, Battlefield, etc.), Activision (COD), etc.

I heard they did buy some games developer so some first and second party games, some exclusives.

Amazon's strategy with the Kindle Fire is to underprice the hardware and sell content. So this is another outlet for Amazon video streaming?

But they're cagey about the actual number of Kindle Fire tablets sold. It's probably not bad, given their aggressive pricing. But still probably a lot less than iPads, which they're undercutting severely on price.
 
I can't imagine they need another platform for video streaming. Their streaming app is almost in every device (other than AppleTv) so they don't need to push new hardware.

It would be interesting if they could get a f2p version of CoD from Activision. I think that's something that straddles the core/casual market and could move a low priced console.
 
If they tie in tightly with Kindle and Amazon services, this could be a big hit with casual type people. I say the more the merrier when it comes to consoles. I hope Amazon can come in and do something good. Double Helix is a good start. Focusing on good games in the $15-25 dollar range could be a very good start. If they bring in the type of titles we'd normally see on Xbox Live Arcade or PSN downloadable, it could be a fun and cheap console. Plus, having those amazon video and music services hooked up to your home theater would be good. It's like having an AppleTV that can actually play good games.
 
There was also a rumor about Amazon trying to secure rights to stream "live TV."

Or they could just sign deals with all the networks and pay carry fees.

The Amazon video streaming selection is suppose to be weak compared to Netflix and now there's talk that they'd increase Amazon Prime by $20 or $40 a year, citing delivery cost increases.

Then Newegg just introduces a comparable plan (without video streaming) for $50.
 
Side note taken from fudzilla:
During Nvidia’s fiscal Q4 2014 conference call last week CEO Jen-Hsun Huang went on record and talked a bit about Nvidia’s focus. He implied that Nvidia’s core market for Tegra are tablets, gaming set-top boxes, gaming smart TVs and automotive.
It is clearer and clearer that their will be soon an offensive on the gaming front from Android players.
 
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