A Few 9700 Screenshots

[Dave Baumann]

Anyway, I'd like to see what happens when a number of people have 9700's...

They will run games... fast... and people will be happy!

Oh, and FYI, the card is marketted with a 300W PSU recommendation on the box so the Joe Dell/Gateway/HP buyer knows what to look for...

 

[KimB]

Obviously, Dave. I'm more interested in what kinds (and how many) of problems people have.

 

[Tahir2]

I wont be happy unless I can get one for less than £250.

Dave you finished with your R300 yet? I mean I could run some benchmarks for you on a P4 2.0AGHz with DDR1600 RAM (dont ask).

Oh an Chalnoth the specs for a GF4 Ti 4600 call for a 350W PSU I believe. That is what Matt of 3DGPU wrote a few weeks ago when I had problems with my PSU burning out.

 

[OpenGL guy]

I'm more interested in what kinds (and how many) of problems people have.

So you're only interested in any negative points? What fun is that?

 

[Dave Baumann]

Obviously, Dave. I'm more interested in what kinds (and how many) of problems people have.

Yes, I know - I was being glib. I think it obvious you are looking for problems and its equally obvious to many around here why - unless of course you were one of the first to admonish NVIDIA of having a power system on GF4 that meant people had to remove capacitors from the MB's for them to actually fit?

To argue over this shows seems pretty silly becuase on the whole it will not be an issue to any great extent. Sure there will be a few problems in a few select cases, but thats the case with anything.

And, FYI, the rig that I'm currently running the 9700 in is a P4 2.53GHZ, i850e with 4x128MB RDRAM, Audigy, Adaptec 19160 SCSI adatper, 2x10,000RPM SCSI160 disk drives, 1xSCSI DVD, 1x SCSI CD-RW, plus floppy blah, blah - all on a 300Watt PSU. This isn't exactly a frugal system where power is concerned so if these massive power issues were to manifest themselves I'd guess mine would be a ripe system for them...

 

[KimB]

So you're only interested in any negative points? What fun is that?

To put it simply, because problems are the only thing that we don't know about with the Radeon 9700 (which isn't such a bad thing, if you think about it, for the 9700). But there is no doubt that there will be some. How many and how severe are the questions.

That is, there's lots of information out there as to just how good the Radeon 9700 is. There's none about what can go wrong with it.

 

[davefb]

misae said :"Oh and Chalnoth the specs for a GF4 Ti 4600 call for a 350W PSU I believe."

interesting, someone at work has built a nforce/gf44600/amd2k2 system, and they're having instability issues. Gunna have to remember to check out what psu they're running....

Perhaps they should remove that appalling nvidia card and get a decent ati one ;-) ( JOKE!!!).

Seriously chalnoth, it does sound like you're only r300 compaint is that it doesnt say nvidia on it

-dave-

still have no idea of when the uk launch is,,, anybody ? ??

 

[Tahir2]

davefb

My spider sense tells me it's September. Anymore specific than that and I would have to, er, lie.. cos I don't know

Are you going to pick one up? I reckon the RRP or MRP or whatever they call it now is going to be £349.99. I would check www.hercules.com for further announcements on a firmer date/price as they are ATI's European HQ for R9700 basically.

 

[Tahir2]

sorr guys.. posted in the wrong thread

 

[Dio]

I've got two systems here that are power-marginal and sometimes fail to boot. And the results from changing video cards (even between say Savage4 at one extreme and R9700 at the other) makes _no_ difference in boot possibility.

Just as you said, the graphics card doesn't use max power at bootup (it should be using very little). Instead, a power-hungry (and therefore hot) graphics card would instead cause system instability while playing 3D games. Anyway, I'd like to see what happens when a number of people have 9700's...

Yeah, well, with 9700 the same machine will do any amount of 3D you want just fine - in fact, this machine has never once bluescreened or random-booted on me except when the memory went dodgy a year ago. But getting the damn thing to boot is nigh on impossible some mornings unless I haul all the fans off.

 

[Sabastian]

So you're only interested in any negative points? What fun is that?

To put it simply, because problems are the only thing that we don't know about with the Radeon 9700 (which isn't such a bad thing, if you think about it, for the 9700). But there is no doubt that there will be some. How many and how severe are the questions.

That is, there's lots of information out there as to just how good the Radeon 9700 is. There's none about what can go wrong with it.

Well you have certainly painted yourself into a corner here. Did you ever consider the possibility that possibly there is very little wrong with the card? This would explain why there is so little to complain about. Your really going to have to dig to find problems even if you do find something wrong that doesn't say necessarily that the problem will be on mass. You did the exact same thing with the Radeon 8500 ..... all you could do was constantly go on and on about bilinear AF.. add nausea..(Even though very few people actually had an issue with the method, with the exception of yourself and a small handful of others of course.) I guess that sense there are so few driver issues you must complain about something. I can't get over your blinkered approach Chalnoth ..... always the same message, Nvidia isn't that great man.

 

[DDM_Reaper20]

That's why there's the power connector, to ensure that systems will power up (of course, anybody trying to connect it to a dirt-cheap POS 200W PS will be in for a big surprise). Not connecting it sounds like asking for trouble to me. There'd be legitimate grounds for complaint if there was no power connector.

I still think that there is legimitate grounds for complaint. Mainly, since it requires so much power, it's going to be producing lots of heat. In this situation, the two are one and the same (power consumption and heat dissipation). Granted, this shouldn't make much difference for the enthusiast, as that person should know the implications of the card already. But, this card should not be marketted to somebody who is new with computers and, "Just wants the best," say, to upgrade their manufactured system (Dell, Gateway, Compaq, etc...).

Assumption on your part (that heat will be a problem).

This card "should not be marketed" to those people? Why? Because you ASSUME that they are going to have problems? Do you have a shred of evidence to back up that theory of yours? Do you think people buying such expensive cards might either not be aware of potential issues (note the "potential", mind you), or that they might at least ask people who are in the know?

Not to be rude, but you sound as if you are desperately seeking for anything negative.

Best,
DDM_Reaper20