A comparison of PS3 and 360 as media players

Well the Disney DRM is sort of the same as what Sony are using for this. What I think the content owners want is a single system that every retail outlet and provider can easily plug into. Look up DECE, that is where the future lies for digital distribution.

http://www.homemediamagazine.com/electronic-delivery/six-questions-ultraviolets-mitch-singer-20510

The Digital Entertainment Content Ecosystem’s (DECE) UltraViolet concept works off a “buy once, play anywhere” philosophy and already has a mix of nearly 60 content and hardware companies who’ve bought into it.

Home Media Magazine caught up with Mitch Singer, DECE president and chief technology officer for Sony Pictures Entertainment, to discuss the potential impacts UltraViolet will have on the way consumers use their entertainment.

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HM: What does UltraViolet mean for consumer’s physical and digital content? Do consumers need to be concerned with their content in the cloud?

Singer: The UltraViolet Digital Rights Locker will keep track of all of the consumers’ UltraViolet digital purchases, whether they bought a movie or television show on Blu-ray disc or digital download. UltraViolet does not store the actual content. When a consumer logs in, UltraViolet will verify that the consumer has purchased a film, and will then allow the consumer to stream or download their movies from a participating UltraViolet service.

In regards to physical media, UltraViolet was developed with Blu-ray in mind. Physical media is not going away any time soon, so it was crucial that both offerings complement each other.

Additionally, with the digital entertainment marketplace being as nascent as it is, it was important that DECE establish a framework that would grow in tandem with the physical media market.

HM: Will UltraViolet be compatible with consumer’s existing home entertainment systems? Or will they need to purchase new devices?

Singer: Ensuring backward compatibility was a topic that DECE spent a lot of time discussing. It’s important for our success, but also important to us as consumers.

There will be three ways consumers could potentially take advantage of UltraViolet content on legacy devices:

1) Upgrade firmware for Web-enabled devices (e.g. laptops, gaming consoles)
2) Stream the content to any Web-enabled device
3) Store to physical media (e.g., burn to a DVD)

Hopefully, they integrate Blu-ray Managed Copy with DECE like what Mitch talked about above.
 
Do I understand right, that if I own a BRD film, I'll be able to 'register' it on the cloud and download the same movie to other devices? This would be the ideal solution, but I can't imagine these media companies being that generous, instead wanting to charge us to access content on other devices. If however it's a small fee for a different format, such as £1 to get an mp4 for use on iPod, and another £1 to store on PC, then they'd at least be making something. However, I expect something more like £5 per device.

If this really is 'you are licensed to use your media wherever you want,' then it's the breakthrough we've been wanting and needing.
 
For media management solutions like DECE, it is extremely important to separate the technical design from the business policies.

Technically speaking, the use case you describe is possible. For Blu-ray, it's more likely to use the built-in Managed Copy facility since all new players support the specs. e.g., if you buy a Blu-ray movie, Managed Copy may allow you to do 1 free backup or portable copy (like right now !) via DECE.

Another example would be the unlimited music for subscribers model.

DECE enables different content and player vendors to work seamlessly together technically (regardless of what policies are used in these players and content). If I understand NathansFortune correctly, Qriocity takes it one step further by negotiating a basic contract for all ahead of time, and associates these contracts with a common (Qriocity) user account.

Ultimately, whether the studios allow Blu-ray owners to download Avatar 3D for free, it's a separate question altogether. I suppose if we cough up enough money for that Blu-ray movie, we might. But I won't make any assumption at all.
 
For media management solutions like DECE, it is extremely important to separate the technical design from the business policies.

Technically speaking, the use case you describe is possible. For Blu-ray, it's more likely to use the built-in Managed Copy facility since all new players support the specs. e.g., if you buy a Blu-ray movie, Managed Copy may allow you to do 1 free backup or portable copy (like right now !) via DECE.

Managed copy or UltraViolet integration wouldn't necessarily be free. I would bet on UV integration coming at a premium when you register your Blu-ray with the service. I think the used game thread is a good precursor to what might happen if it isn't handled correctly. Giving away free UV integration would lead to a massive reduction in value of physical copies which is something studios don't want.

Another example would be the unlimited music for subscribers model.

DECE enables different content and player vendors to work seamlessly together technically (regardless of what policies are used in these players and content). If I understand NathansFortune correctly, Qriocity takes it one step further by negotiating a basic contract for all ahead of time, and associates these contracts with a common (Qriocity) user account.

Ultimately, whether the studios allow Blu-ray owners to download Avatar 3D for free, it's a separate question altogether. I suppose if we cough up enough money for that Blu-ray movie, we might. But I won't make any assumption at all.

Qriocity is a very similar ecosystem to what has been proposed by DECE, it doesn't come as a surprise to me that SPE are at the forefront of DECE and also pushing Qriocity. Allowing third party access to their content network is extremely important though, and this is also the central theme to UV, allowing all parties to sell their wares and maintain compatibility across all brands, iDevices excepted.
 
There are already bundled digital copy in today's BR movies. Wouldn't it be wise to replace them with DECE/Qriocity ? That way the studios don't have to maintain 2 systems.
 
1 step forward and 2 steps back? Sound like you might have 2 separate accounts and 2 separate DRM schemes. Man, that's not confusing at all.

Tommy McClain
 
Hm ? Single sign-on for Qriocity, PSN, and Playstation websites is already here today.

Anyway, here's the PlayMemories 3D photo app:


Now this... they should integrate it with the existing Photo App.
 
He showed multi-angle photos, not 3D photos. If the photgrapher did not capture the vertically elevated perspective, you won't be able to pan the photo up and down. See here for an example using CyberShot (I guess that's why they developed the app).

But typical of a CE manufacturer... instead of integrating with the existing Photo app, they made a small demo title which is not useful enough for daily use.
 
Is that PlayMemories app already downloadable from PSN? I haven't seen it and this is the first time I hear about it.
 
http://kotaku.com/5644961/netflix-launches-disc+less-on-canadian-ps3

Canadians are getting a sneak preview today of the disc-less Netflix hitting North America next month as the streaming video service goes live up north.

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Instead of popping in the Netflix disc, Canadians can simply navigate to the Netflix icon under the video section of the cross media bar, press the X button, and prepare for a whole new way to watch people doing stuff on their television sets.

EDIT: It's reported on the official blog:
http://blog.us.playstation.com/2010/09/22/netflix-streaming-its-way-to-canada-today/

Perhaps 3.50 added this behind the scene.
 
I'll wait for October. Ran out of email address to register for another PSN account. I re-applied for Hulu Preview in 3.50 update. Noticed that tha_con got in. Hope I can get in this time.
 
Just read this from the Bloomberg app:

Sony, Warner, Disney Said to Plan $30 Home Film-Viewing Option

Sept. 26 (Bloomberg) -- Sony Pictures, Warner Bros. and Walt Disney Co. are in talks with the largest cable TV systems to offer films for as much as $30 per showing soon after they run in theaters.

The studios are talking with In Demand, a partnership of Cox Communications Inc., Comcast Corp. and Time Warner Cable Inc., Bob Benya, chief executive officer of In Demand, said in an interview. Disney is also discussing streaming films on Web- linked devices such as Microsoft Corp.’s Xbox console and Sony’s Corp.’s PlayStation 3, people with knowledge of the talks said.



There is more to the article. I'm down, $30 is way better than the $100 it cost me now to go see a movie.
 
Just read this from the Bloomberg app:

Sony, Warner, Disney Said to Plan $30 Home Film-Viewing Option

Sept. 26 (Bloomberg) -- Sony Pictures, Warner Bros. and Walt Disney Co. are in talks with the largest cable TV systems to offer films for as much as $30 per showing soon after they run in theaters.

The studios are talking with In Demand, a partnership of Cox Communications Inc., Comcast Corp. and Time Warner Cable Inc., Bob Benya, chief executive officer of In Demand, said in an interview. Disney is also discussing streaming films on Web- linked devices such as Microsoft Corp.’s Xbox console and Sony’s Corp.’s PlayStation 3, people with knowledge of the talks said.



There is more to the article. I'm down, $30 is way better than the $100 it cost me now to go see a movie.

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Quite interesting. Cost could be quite off putting to many, however, depending on how they handle the restrictions. Then again, I don't think this is aimed at the primary theater going market (based strictly on the price). I haven't been to the movies in years, primarily due to the poor A/V quality in the theaters near me, therefore not being worth the "trouble" of going to see a film there. I tend to just wait for the BD.

I also had no idea there was actually a negotiated "theatrical window" (120 days according to the article).

I'm curious, why is your movie going cost so high? Or were you being sarcastic (I honestly couldn't tell). Are you including cost of food/snacks with that number?
 
I'm curious, why is your movie going cost so high? Or were you being sarcastic (I honestly couldn't tell). Are you including cost of food/snacks with that number?
He's already given a description of costs earlier in ths forum somewhere. Something like $12 a ticket for 4 tickets, plus driving and parking, plus exhorbitant foods when you get to the cinema, or something. Certainly £25 could be equivalent for a 3 adult tickets in the UK, so a group of friends would typically be more economically served watching at home. Plus it's not going to be to damned loud like cinemas, you won't have heads in the way, you can chat through it if it's a silly film that warrants nit-picking, etc. Unless the big screen does it for you, this strikes me as the better experience.
 
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Quite interesting. Cost could be quite off putting to many, however, depending on how they handle the restrictions. Then again, I don't think this is aimed at the primary theater going market (based strictly on the price). I haven't been to the movies in years, primarily due to the poor A/V quality in the theaters near me, therefore not being worth the "trouble" of going to see a film there. I tend to just wait for the BD.

I also had no idea there was actually a negotiated "theatrical window" (120 days according to the article).

I'm curious, why is your movie going cost so high? Or were you being sarcastic (I honestly couldn't tell). Are you including cost of food/snacks with that number?

I'm not being facetious I would definitely pay $30 for a first-run at home. For those that are on my friendslist I'm sure you can ask them what it is I do most of the time on my 360 and the answer would be, tv shows...movies...tv shows...games.

Scenarios:

Scenario 1 this is when it is just the wife and me - $35 tickets + $30 childcare + food/drinks (alcoholic beverages) our typical food/drink bill at the theatre has been ~$60 (not including tip) = $125

Scenario 2 this is where we typically go as a family (we haven't been to showplace icon as a family yet): $29 tickets + $18 parking + $35 food/drinks = $82

EDIT:
There is a third scenario when we go to muvico: rosemont 18 which includes valet parking in the premium seating tickets but that is aboout an hour+ away from my home with Chicago traffic being what it is. Every now and then the wife and I will go to Capital Grille to eat since it is almost literally next door but that food bill alone is typically $130-$200 otherwise we will eat at the theatre which is the about the same cost as showplace icon so figure about $60.

Also, my TV is large enough for us to enjoy at 65"
we are currently looking at projector based systems and getting anywhere from a 100" - 120" screen which will make the movie experience that much better (assuming they aren't thinking SD quality to appease retail). I also want to add that this is in no way intended as a braggarts post, it is simply where I am in my life.
 
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