A comparison of PS3 and 360 as media players
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NathansFortune
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May I ask where you get those info from ?
Corporate contacts. We do a lot of business with Sony. Hence the preview of SoS in November of last year!
The reason this is so late (was scheduled for March, then May) was because getting movie studios and recording companies to agree to single account, multi-device content delivery is hard. It took some winning apparently...
I see. It sounds like they are extending the Marlin DRM platform for multiple devices: http://www.marlin-community.com/overview_benefits/success_stories/playstation3
In the final vision, it's supposed to work like this ?
http://www.marlin-community.com/benefits/use_cases
In the final vision, it's supposed to work like this ?
http://www.marlin-community.com/benefits/use_cases
Do you know why this initiative is appearing now, instead of a few years earlier, and why we've had several disconnected media systems appear to supplya mish-mash fo content? Is it lack of communication across the Sony subsidiaries, or a lack of cooperation, or stop-gap measures now like PSN movies until they could get Qriocity working?
NathansFortune
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Yes, that's the one. I think it is a custom version, but yes, it is that.
The idea behind it is that you aren't tied into using one device to access your account and the related content.
Like I said earlier, getting studios to agree to the usage scenarios outlined is very difficult. The fact that Sony have got their own content divisions they are willing to throw behind these ideas helps a lot in convincing reluctant providers. It would be very difficult for MS or Apple to repeat this on as large a scale as Sony are attempting for that very reason, at least until Qriocity is a success.
NathansFortune
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Classic Sony. It is only because of the efforts of Sir Howard and Kaz that we have a service like this. The best example of how the old style decision making has hurt SCE and PSN directly is from 2006 I think. SonyBMG signed a deal with Microsoft to provide music and music videos exclusively to XBL in the console space for some number of years. For this reason SCE have had to delay launching their own music store and use third party systems like VidZone. It was craptacular thinking like that which got Sony into such a mess.
When SCE was pretty much disbanded and NPS took its place we got a lot of sensible joined up thinking. The problem before this was that Sir Howard wasn't in the position to make such sweeping changes to the company structure, there was too much politics and entrenched management at the Japanese divisions. Since the market crash and recession he went to the board and told them "do it my way or watch this company become irrelevant and get bought by Apple or Panasonic" that put the fear into them and he restructured the whole group. From that we have got Qriocity, the big push behind 3D and true OLED TVs and Vaios next year. Hell, even Sony Ericsson has been included in all of this and the newest phones can access PSN to some degree and Play Now will eventually be folded into Qriocity.
Good luck to 'em. It's what we've all been saying. Reminds me of the England World Cup efforts - the public and commentators all said, "lose the 4-4-2, play Rooney up front off of Gerrard" and yet the managers did their own thing and made a mess of it. Sony have lost a lot of their early advantage and allowed other paltforms to catch up, where they could have had a universal system in place 2005 leveraging their broad portfolio. Finally they're bringing together the pieces that make Sony such a unique company, in that they have their own media arms along wtih their CE devices.
The main points now are: quality - they can't afford a rough start that'll turn consumers off the idea; and speed, getting this out and entrenched everywhere before other organisations (Apple) can react.
The main points now are: quality - they can't afford a rough start that'll turn consumers off the idea; and speed, getting this out and entrenched everywhere before other organisations (Apple) can react.
Yes, since Sony has a major presence in the entire value chain, they would be the only one who could do this "quickly". They are also helped by Apple who's growing the media distribution business rapidly. I speculate that the studios probably do not want one large distributor or they will be in trouble. A platform for many players is the safest from their point of view. Since Sony content divisions are "one of them" and face the same challenges, the other studios should be able to connect with them better.
Disney's Key Vault idea is sound too. I wonder if Sony's Marlin implementation can now work with it ? Disney mentioned that their Key Vault is open and can fit into existing DRM schemes such as Blu-ray's Managed Copy.
These are still integration at the technical level though. The most important decisions for us consumers are the usage policies. Hope to learn more when they are ready. Make sure you're not violating NDAs when you talk to us. Don't want you to lose your job just because of my questions.
We also heard about Sony's Viddler service coming to PS3. I remember it allows users to publish videos with commercial contracts. I wonder if this is now part of the Qriocity platform since Kaz hinted that the latter would cover creation.
EDIT: Now I see how Qriocity may work with YouTube and GoogleTV.
Wait a minute, was PSP Go planned to go with this Qriocity service ? The service has been delayed from February 2010 due to tough negotiations. The hardware, well, was easy to make.
Sony BMG was a 50–50 joint venture between Sony and Bertelsmann. From what I was told, the Bertelsmann half "influenced" the company to sign the exclusive contract with MS. Sony later acquired Bertelsmann's half in 2008, and has full control now.
NathansFortune
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Haha, funny that you mention England, I always saw Sony in a similarly impotent light until about a year ago!
NathansFortune
Regular
Yes, since Sony has a major presence in the entire value chain, they would be the only one who could do this "quickly". They are also helped by Apple who's growing the media distribution business rapidly. I speculate that the studios probably do not want one large distributor or they will be in trouble. A platform for many players is the safest from their point of view. Since Sony content divisions are "one of them" and face the same challenges, the other studios should be able to connect with them better.
Disney's Key Vault idea is sound too. I wonder if Sony's Marlin implementation can now work with it ? Disney mentioned that their Key Vault is open and can fit into existing DRM schemes such as Blu-ray's Managed Copy.
These are still integration at the technical level though. The most important decisions for us consumers are the usage policies. Hope to learn more when they are ready. Make sure you're not violating NDAs when you talk to us. Don't want you to lose your job just because of my questions.
We also heard about Sony's Viddler service coming to PS3. I remember it allows users to publish videos with commercial contracts. I wonder if this is now part of the Qriocity platform since Kaz hinted that the latter would cover creation.
EDIT: Now I see how Qriocity may work with YouTube and GoogleTV.
Wait a minute, was PSP Go planned to go with this Qriocity service ? The service has been delayed from February 2010 due to tough negotiations. The hardware, well, was easy to make.
Yes, PSPGo was supposed to be one of the premier devices for it, but after the delays it looks pretty bad. I think it will be replaced by a PSPhone with 3G. That really is speculation though!
Well the Disney DRM is sort of the same as what Sony are using for this. What I think the content owners want is a single system that every retail outlet and provider can easily plug into. Look up DECE, that is where the future lies for digital distribution.
From what I know the usage policies and DRM is extremely lax, you can't use the same type of content on a single account at the same time. So you can stream a movie while someone else streams music, but you can't both stream music.
Don't worry about NDAs, they all expired on the announcement! It's all down to personal discretion now.
Yes I heard that too from a bunch of Sony execs, but they should never have been influenced that heavily into making silly decisions. Even after the buyout in 2008 the exclusive deal with MS was still going and too expensive to buy out.
Silent_Buddha
Legend
So, it basically sounds like Zune pass as it stands currently. Unlimited access to music as long as you maintain your account.
Does it also allow you to keep 10 songs each month that continue to be yours after you cancel the service?
If so and if this also comes to PC, I may have to give it a look as I'm pretty close to signing up for the Zune pass. The movies and other stuff don't matter, it's only access to the music and being able to keep basically an albums worth each month that makes Zune particularly attractive right now.
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SB
I'd expect it to be the same (but on multiple brands) since there is already a precedence -- it's easier to negotiate.
While "Music Unlimited" presumably focuses on songs and music videos, PSN Video Store may switch to the same platform (if not already) for movie/TV streaming and downloading.
Qriocity should cover sharing use cases (like Marlin). Would be interesting to see what kind of sharing scenario is possible.
The other opportunity is creation and custom production (Viddler). I wonder if The Tester series is a start.
I hope the update also finally allows us to move our protected game saves around. It's locked using the same media DRM policy today.
While "Music Unlimited" presumably focuses on songs and music videos, PSN Video Store may switch to the same platform (if not already) for movie/TV streaming and downloading.
Qriocity should cover sharing use cases (like Marlin). Would be interesting to see what kind of sharing scenario is possible.
The other opportunity is creation and custom production (Viddler). I wonder if The Tester series is a start.
I hope the update also finally allows us to move our protected game saves around. It's locked using the same media DRM policy today.
Amazon joining the media streaming crowd:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703467004575463974031923594.html
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703467004575463974031923594.html
I doubt PSN store uses this system as it has no flexibility at all, does it? You can't transfer a movie you've bought to other devices, can you? As I understand it with Qriocity, you basically license the content per title when you 'buy' it, and are then allowed to view it on all your Qriocity enabled devices, because it's account driven and not device driven.
Saw Apple's latest presentation a moment ago with my wife. Steve Job's list of top requests for AppleTV is very true.
Some of these features can already be done on a PS3 but they did the UI so much better. The switching of movie playback from PSP to TV was demoed in CES 2008 (or earlier). And yet there is no Sony product out there today that does the same thing.
Some of these features can already be done on a PS3 but they did the UI so much better. The switching of movie playback from PSP to TV was demoed in CES 2008 (or earlier). And yet there is no Sony product out there today that does the same thing.
Do you have a link?
Sorry, it was CES 2006: ^_^
http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=671507&postcount=1
[size=-2]Now do you know what I mean by "Sony ignored PSP" ?[/size]
http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=671507&postcount=1
[size=-2]Now do you know what I mean by "Sony ignored PSP" ?[/size]
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