360 HD-DVD Rumours - $170 in JPN? 1080p and MCE compatability?

so evidently with the firmware update, DVDs will now also be upscaled to HiDef resolutions which I assume means at 1080i I will still see that difference?
 
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Well, worse how? I have an older model so I haven't read up on it to much. But from what I've gathered, there aren't any lock ups on the 1.19 and 1.00 firmwares. The whole 1080p sparkle thingy I'm still in the dark about. I haven't even tested my inputs yet.

Also, the only other thing I can recall is about using the service menu. People using older model settings on the new panel aren't seeing better colors, they have to rediscover them on their own or wait for someone to post new numbers for them.


As for the different panel, I can't say if one is better than the other or not.
 
It's not limited to 1080i, it's just limited to analogue output. We've just assumed that 1080p was not going to be aloowed through component, but obviously it is.

I think when Sony announced no HDMI on the base SKU, that was all MS needed to run with it. Now both Sony and MS are probably pushing hard to allow 1080p over component and the studios seem like their going to allow it.

I wonder how theyre getting around that legality with DVDs which has not been legal up to this point (and as far as i know still isnt). The only thing I can think of is that the studios figured 1080p over HDMI vs BR/HDDVD over component might produce comparisons that were unfavorable to selling a new format. By now allowing DVD to be upsampled over component it will at least give consumers the ability to do an equivalent comparison and see the benefits.

EDIT: Not to pick on anyone in particular but the Westy CE discussion is way off topic and diluting the thread. Taking it (the westy discussion) to its proper place is appreciated. Its not a big deal for a few back and forths to exchange some info but you guys are going on for too long now...
 
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I wonder how theyre getting around that legality with DVDs which has not been legal up to this point (and as far as i know still isnt). The only thing I can think of is that the studios figured 1080p over HDMI vs BR/HDDVD over component might produce comparisons that were unfavorable to selling a new format. By now allowing DVD to be upsampled over component it will at least give consumers the ability to do an equivalent comparison and see the benefits.

EDIT: Not to pick on anyone in particular but the Westy CE discussion is way off topic and diluting the thread. Taking it (the westy discussion) to its proper place is appreciated. Its not a big deal for a few back and forths to exchange some info but you guys are going on for too long now...

They have been selling scalers and upsampling DVD players for a couple years now... right?
 
They have been selling scalers and upsampling DVD players for a couple years now... right?

Yes (probably longer actually) and none have been able to legally output upscaled DVD over anything but HDMI/DVI-HDCP. (and maybe vga for those equipped to do it) There have been a few players that did, but they were rogues and later had the capability removed.
 
I haven't checked the firmware version, but I assume it's somewhere in the menu. I haven't had any lock-up issues and I've been using 1080p over DVI and 480p/720p/1080i over component.

Well, worse how? I have an older model so I haven't read up on it to much. But from what I've gathered, there aren't any lock ups on the 1.19 and 1.00 firmwares. The whole 1080p sparkle thingy I'm still in the dark about. I haven't even tested my inputs yet.

Also, the only other thing I can recall is about using the service menu. People using older model settings on the new panel aren't seeing better colors, they have to rediscover them on their own or wait for someone to post new numbers for them.


As for the different panel, I can't say if one is better than the other or not.
 
Anyway, it's a good price. Is MS (or Toshiba) subsidizing this play? With diode supplies not that great off, one would think whoever is sourcing these on behalf of these add-on drives is outbidding some serious competetion.
 
Anyway, it's a good price. Is MS (or Toshiba) subsidizing this play? With diode supplies not that great off, one would think whoever is sourcing these on behalf of these add-on drives is outbidding some serious competetion.


In the 80 odd page AVS Insider forum thread, amirm noted that Microsoft would not have any problem with meeting the demand of the diodes? I will search through and see if I can find his exact quote...
 
In the 80 odd page AVS Insider forum thread, amirm noted that Microsoft would not have any problem with meeting the demand of the diodes? I will search through and see if I can find his exact quote...

So I guess they anticipate the demad of these things to be extremely low? ;)

Please do find the quote - Amir is prone to displaying a veneer of strength for Microsoft's position in all things, and simply remaining silent when presented with contrary information.

The sourcing of these diodes has been cited as a major, well... crises of sorts for the entire blue-laser idunstry this year, and I'd be interested in seeing what the deal is with MS' own stake in it.
 
So I guess they anticipate the demad of these things to be extremely low? ;)
Or maybe they anticipate a demand that is not as overwhelming if the drive was sold with the console (not as an option). ;)

Besides the HD-DVD add-on will not be debuting in all markets this holiday season, so I suppose thats one way of looking at "oh we dont have enough" admission.
 
Well, that's another question... won't it though? (be debuting elsewhere?)

I know so far we only have Japan, but at X06 I imagine we'll get some more info relevant to the rest of the world. I might be off base though...
 
Well, that's another question... won't it though? (be debuting elsewhere?)

I know so far we only have Japan, but at X06 I imagine we'll get some more info relevant to the rest of the world. I might be off base though...
Not in Asia confirmed.

The may just limit the availability to Japan and NA for this holiday season considering how slow the adoption of HD is in EU.
 
Hmm. A thought...

I wonder if we will now see some backwards compatible games running in 1080P. :)
 
clarified info.... no 1080p Component for movies just games and VGA

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=8478750&&#post8478750

1080p is supported over VGA for DVD, HD DVD and gaming output. And yes, AACS does allow 1080p over VGA (classified under authorized "computer monitor outputs").

For component, you get gaming up to 1080p, and 1080i for HD DVD. DVD only works at 480p over this connection. The latter two are due to restrictions in DVD CCA and AACS rules for DVD and HD DVD playback respectively.

On gaming, the machine supports both scaling of 720p games to 1080p, and native games running at 1080p resolution. It is up to game developers to decide which way to go.
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Thanks Tap In, the lower model PS3 should be the same way right?
But really, is there a high amount of TV's that support 1080p over component?
 
clarified info.... no 1080p Component for movies just games and VGA

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=8478750&&#post8478750

I had a feeling about that for HD DVD (the 1080i), it will be interesting to see how the PS3 handles 1080p for movies, I can't imagine it being any different than the rest of the Blu-ray Disc ;) players on the market or coming to market. Hopefully, in '07 we will see 1080p from disc to tv without all the extra processing, although it may not be until '08 from the hardware side for both sides of the blue laser debacle.

Its probably worth pointing out for those that intend to get the drive, that setting your player to 1080i on the Toshiba HD DVD players has consistently given a better picture than 720p, this includes TVs that have a native 720p res. It will be interesting to see if the same holds true on the accessory. If so, I would hope the dashboard allows a setting for the 360 for games, and a movie setting.
 
So I guess they anticipate the demad of these things to be extremely low? ;)

Please do find the quote - Amir is prone to displaying a veneer of strength for Microsoft's position in all things, and simply remaining silent when presented with contrary information.

The sourcing of these diodes has been cited as a major, well... crises of sorts for the entire blue-laser idunstry this year, and I'd be interested in seeing what the deal is with MS' own stake in it.


OK, here is what I was talking about. It wasn't as clear cut as I remembered but...

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=8380021&&#post8380021
 
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