No, it certainly does not. Fries was responsible for some unnecessarily lean years. If it weren't for Halo (which really wasn't his responsibility anyway), his work would have been a near complete failure.
360 HD-DVD Drive to be 199 GBP
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It makes me wish my phone would ring right now.
ring ring
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"Hello?"
"Hey Crayon, it's Bill."
"Hey fucker, what's happennin?"
"Not too much. Y'know. Busy busy. How bout you? Still mount..."
"Cut the shit, Bill."
"Yeah..."
"What do you need?"
"I need some help with the XBox."
"You don't say. You need help trucking them to the land fill or is it not too late yet?"
"It's not too late I think. I need you to take the reigns."
"That's what I figured. I'm suprised you came around at all, Bill. You're a goddamned disgrace, you know that?"
"I know, Crayon. I know."
"Say it."
"im a goddammed disgrace."
"Allright. Let's look forward. We have work to do. You with me, tiger?"
"*sniff*. yeah."
"Fire that bald assholle and the pointy faced one, too. Have both their offices steamed and burn their shit. Don't worry about decorating just call Ikea and open a tab for me. I'll be there monday. Have alot of Mint Milanos ready. Aff?"
"What?"
"Aff. Affirmative. Yes. Okay. WTF? You threre?"
"Yeah yeah, I'm here."
"We're going to get this XBox thing on track, Bill. You understand me? We're going to make Ken cry. We're going to hurt him. You here?"
"Yes."
"I'll see you monday. Keep your chin up, kid."
*Click*
Meh, I'm still betting for a $199 price in USA.
All they basically package is the diode, I think they can hit 199 without too much subsidy.
I think all these SKU's are getting stupid, though. Starts to become an inventory problem. I'd rather see them eliminate the premium and go to one SKU, not add more SKU's.
I dont think anybody really likes multiple SKU's, same with PS3. People want a good deal but they want to be sure they got the "right" one at the same time. It just confuses them and muddles things imo. Especially for your average parent who's a complete idiot about video games.
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All they basically package is the diode, I think they can hit 199 without too much subsidy.
I think all these SKU's are getting stupid, though. Starts to become an inventory problem. I'd rather see them eliminate the premium and go to one SKU, not add more SKU's.
I dont think anybody really likes multiple SKU's, same with PS3. People want a good deal but they want to be sure they got the "right" one at the same time. It just confuses them and muddles things imo. Especially for your average parent who's a complete idiot about video games.
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scooby_dooby
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It was Ed Fries who fought for Halo 2 to be delayed until it was ready, he nearly quit because of it, with pinheads like Allard fighting him the whole way.
I won't debate that Fries did not produce great 1st party titles, but we're talking hardware here. And he never nickle and dimed us like this bullshit.
Um, perhaps because PS3 is a fair price for the technology it contains, and any next-gen console with HD optical format would be as highly priced...?
I'm not sure where we are disagreeing here. What you said there is absolutly true. But it's seems like the HDDVD drive is a perfect way to illustrate this to consumers who might otherwise think the PS3 is just plain expensive.
It says; "Hey look. HD Playback is a $300 value. It's desireable."
I want to make sure we're both on the same page before I go on.
Don't be rediculous. If you know how to get pictures out of the HDDVD peripheral without a $300-400 360 attached to it, then by all means, link away yourself.if you guys can direct me towards an hd-dvd player that costs the proposed $200 usd, then by all means, link away.
They are not validating anything, they are offering you options. With PS3 you HAVE to get the BRD as well, there is no way out of it. With the xbox it is about the games and if you want HD movies then by all means maybe the HDDVD add on might be something for you, if not just get the console and play away, and if you in the future change your minf the HDDVD add on will be there, maybe even cheaper (unless it fails of course)...
$300 is a lot of money, compared to a $400 Toshiba HD-DVD (if that is the price) which would allow you to play games on an LCD monitor at the same time as someone is watching an HD-DVD movie. The Xbox 360 is also fairly noisy, and has a jumble of cabling which is not good for a movie player sitting in the lounge.
Yeah, I think this is more a token way of reassuring users that they aren't going to be locked out of anything if they buy into XBox 360 (even if it isn't cost effective compared to a PS3 or a standalone Toshiba HD-DVD player) - a bit like backward compatibility - important psychologically but not really used very much in practice.
Two points:
- the 360 bundle is technically up against the 500$ PS3, and so it is more expensive than the PS3/BluRay combo
- however, in the U.K., the 360 bundle isn't up against the PS3 at all until March, and we'll have to wait and see if things change by then
In the end, if you're going to stick with the 360, then the add-on might not be such a bad value, if you really want HD-DVD now.
(note: I have no intention to go for HD-DVD myself, or even the 360 - I'm a PS3 supporter, just trying to give a balanced view here)
- the 360 bundle is technically up against the 500$ PS3, and so it is more expensive than the PS3/BluRay combo
- however, in the U.K., the 360 bundle isn't up against the PS3 at all until March, and we'll have to wait and see if things change by then
In the end, if you're going to stick with the 360, then the add-on might not be such a bad value, if you really want HD-DVD now.
(note: I have no intention to go for HD-DVD myself, or even the 360 - I'm a PS3 supporter, just trying to give a balanced view here)
You're right. That's why I really would like MS to make the X360-HDDVD drive useable with a PC. That would increase its target audience a lot.
Well, you still need to buy a TV to watch it on but that's not lumped in with the price...
...er, yeah, that's a stretch. But I'm thinking if you don't already own a 360, and have no desire for the 360, you wouldn't buy the HD DVD add-on but instead get one of the stand alone units. To me, it really is a case of only costing 200-300 dollars, since it's targetted at those who already own or plan on owning the 360 anyway.
But I will say that if they price the add-on too close to the stand alone players, they run the risk of just pushing everyone to the stand alone player or losing the sale. There needs to be an obvious difference in price between the two (such as double the price).
This rings true, though from my understanding they are expecting to sale quite a few of the add-ons.
There's also price cuts in the future. People might not buy the add-on at 200-300, but perhaps more would at 99? Once the drives come down in price, the add-on should be super cheap to make.
Which is why I believe the target is existing Xbox 360 owners... the bundle is just a way for someone who wanted a 360 to throw in the add-on at time of purchase.
Comparing converted prices doesn't really give the best indications. They are suggesting a a Premium 360 + HD-DVD may be as low as 375 GBP; the pricing of the PS3 is 425 GBP.
Is that 425 GBP for the 20 or 60 gig?
IIRC Only the 60GB version has been announced for the UK, standing at 425 GBP (damned US keyboard without a pound symbol!); if the stories of these pricings are accurate then MS appear to just be pricing accordingly, and will probably do so through the various regions.
360 premium @ £270 (PS: ALT+0163) plus HD-DVD add-on @ £200 = £470. That's priced accordingly to the PS3 set to launch @ £425? Seems more like an incentive to wait for the PS3 (i.e. too steep) to me.
Edit: Nevermind me. Somehow missed the rumored bundle pricing, so fair enough then.
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