PGR4: New Snow on the Ring trailer

aselto · Jul 6, 2007

CEO said:
is it just me or are bizzares bikes more impressive to look at in terms of modelling than climax's?

They indeed look better. Keep in mind that MotoGP is supposed to run at 60 fps and has 20 bikes during race not 8.

Neb · Jul 6, 2007

almighty said:
Im not talking about photomode im talking about the most important aspect of the game, the GAMEPLY. PGR3 looked better in photomode, native 720p rendered and gobs of AF and AA that WERE NOT in the gameplay graphics. So if these PGR4 shots are from phtomode, which according to you they are because of the camera angles then there is a very big chance that like PGR3 the gameplay graphics in the final PGR4 wont look anything like they do in photomode. So PGR4 wont look like the released shots.

They should show gameplay ss instead as that would be more like what it will look onscreen. The same goes for GT:HD which also has better graphics in replay mode that runs at 30fps.
And since almost every single screenshot or video are from replays in GT:HD one is fooled about the graphics looking better than ingame play as I learned when I downloaded the 'demo'.

Arwin said:
I think the reason that you get 30fps in the replay mode is because you simply often see a lot more of the track, and the game hasn't been optimised as much for those positions yet.

There is an excuse for everything yes?

Arwin;1028300]Really? Can you tell me what exactly is different from the replay mode vs the in game mode, other than the camera position? I think the reason that you get 30fps in the replay mode is because you simply often see a lot more of the track, and the game hasn't been optimised as much for those positions yet.

Below: Look in the GT:HD thread, I have pointed out some differences in there in a post, digg it up. Back to topic now!

Arwin · Jul 6, 2007

Nebula said:
The same goes for GT:HD which also has better graphics in replay mode that runs at 30fps.
And since almost every single screenshot or video are from replays in GT:HD one is fooled about the graphics looking better than ingame play as I learned when I downloaded the 'demo'.

Really? Can you tell me what exactly is different from the replay mode vs the in game mode, other than the camera position? I think the reason that you get 30fps in the replay mode is because you simply often see a lot more of the track, and the game hasn't been optimised as much for those positions yet.

To get back on topic, I don't see anything extraordinary in these screenshots really. I think this is pretty much how the game should look, hopefully a little bit better even. I like how round the tires are though!

Cheezdoodles · Jul 6, 2007

Arwin said:
Really? Can you tell me what exactly is different from the replay mode vs the in game mode, other than the camera position? I think the reason that you get 30fps in the replay mode is because you simply often see a lot more of the track, and the game hasn't been optimised as much for those positions yet.!

Well, it has motion blur in replay?

DJ12 · Jul 6, 2007

I've never noticed it if there is.

GT:HD looks exactly the same to me in replay mode as it does "in game".

In fact the only difference I noticed was replays have a terrible framerate and are fairly jerky where as the "in game" runs smooth as a babys bum.

Cheezdoodles · Jul 6, 2007

You never noticed motion blur in GTHD replays?

What you call this then?

I find it fascinating,that people who are able to point out stuff like 60fps vs 30fps, amount of AA, HDR and other stuff, arent able to notice that their favorite game has motion blur in replays.

Arwin · Jul 6, 2007

Ostepop said:
Well, it has motion blur in replay?

Yes, that is true. The camera has depth of field effects and such. I didn't think about those.

almighty · Jul 6, 2007

Nebula said:
They should show gameplay ss instead as that would be more like what it will look onscreen. The same goes for GT:HD which also has better graphics in replay mode that runs at 30fps.

Perfectly worded IMHO.

Ostepop said:
I find it fascinating,that people who are able to point out stuff like 60fps vs 30fps, amount of AA, HDR and other stuff, arent able to notice that their favorite game has motion blur in replays.

Arwin · Jul 6, 2007

There are also other things in GT:HD by the way of which you'd normally not see all that much in any of the racing viewpoints, but it is there anyway. I really like for instance the self-shadowing on the drivers ... if you pick a rally car you'll find there are two drivers in the car, that are also looking around independently in a way that suits rally drivers, very nicely done. And the real-time shadows on the interior of the car affects them very nicely. The lighting is very, very good imho. A good way to showcase it is by looking from in front of your car while driving (you can in gameplay mode, if you take the behind the car view and then use the look back button)

Inane_Dork · Jul 6, 2007

The camera angles are already so not in-game that I don't know why any of y'all bother fussing about how real time they are.

Too, given how pictures and video will be uploaded and viewed like YouTube, it's actually reasonable for Bizarre to show this quality of footage. It's a big part of the game. They should also show literal in-game, driving shots too, but it's not like with past games.

RobertR1 · Jul 6, 2007

CEO said:
http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2007/183/reviews/935830_20070703_screen017.jpg

SOLD!!!!!!!!!! ridiculous! If they do a good job of physics on bikes (unlike the MotoGP 06!) I'll play this till my fingers fall off

almighty · Jul 6, 2007

RobertR1 said:
SOLD!!!!!!!!!! ridiculous! If they do a good job of physics on bikes (unlike the MotoGP 06!) I'll play this till my fingers fall off

PHOTOMODE Robert, slim chance of GAMEPLAY graphics looking like that. We have been talking about in the last few pages how developers of racing games use photomode or replay screen shots and try to pass them off as gameplay shots. IMHO i would'nt get your hopes up and start dribbling just yet

Inane_Dork · Jul 6, 2007

almighty said:
PHOTOMODE Robert, slim chance of GAMEPLAY graphics looking like that.

Yeah, but gameplay shots lack the motion that usually makes them look better. It's not a clear-cut win either way, IMO.

Cyan · Jul 6, 2007

Bikes and cars together, nice approach for what looks like an excellent Arcade game (if they deliver a similar experience to PGR2). IRL they fight like rival siblings but they share the same elements, just with a slightly different attitude and execution.

In my view, the bikes add originality to the series and I must add that featuring these vehicles is a VERY intelligent way to merge all auto and bikes fans in one game. Bikes vs cars in tracks like Nurburgring makes sense, for instance.

I remember playing PGR3 with people who used to almost exclusively play MotoGP 06. I added them to my friends list and while I've never been an PGR3 avid player because I didn't like it that much (PGR2 was way superior, imho) I did not play with them ever since.

Currently I have a XBL Gold account until March 2008 but, as it is, I seldom play online these days and I don't know if they are still playing PGR3 or not, but I'm pretty sure it was a fortunate coincidence so in my opinion it's a plus.

Finally, I do hope they have studied collisions carefully because the bikes have a huge disadvantage here. The normal behaviour should be leaving the bikes alone, not disturbing them. We need clean racers for that to work, though.

phat · Jul 6, 2007

In terms of opportunities for graphical embellishments, Photomode >>> 30fps Replays > 60fps Gameplay. So, replay screenshots tend to be much less misleading about the gameplay graphics than photomode screenshots.

Neb · Jul 6, 2007

phat said:
In terms of opportunities for graphical embellishments, Photomode >>> 30fps Replays > 60fps Gameplay. So, replay screenshots tend to be much less misleading about the gameplay graphics than photomode screenshots.

Really depends if the replay uses motion-blur which hides the sorroundings and objects and makes it pretty much impossible to tell wether it is high detail or low detail stuff or even sprites ("cardboard").

almighty said:
PHOTOMODE Robert, slim chance of GAMEPLAY graphics looking like that. We have been talking about in the last few pages how developers of racing games use photomode or replay screen shots and try to pass them off as gameplay shots. IMHO i would'nt get your hopes up and start dribbling just yet

Perhaps they will release some ingame ss soon. And I hope they do the same for GT5 since the supposed GT5 video was a replay with added effects (motion-blur and who knows what more added/replay uppgraded).

Cyan · Jul 10, 2007

You can find the Work In Progress Car, MotorCycle/Bike and Track List here (with pics):

http://www.bizarrecreations.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=14555&st=0&sk=t&sd=a

PGR4 WIP CAR LIST

Audi
'07 R8

BMW
'04 M5

Caparo
'07 T1

Caterham
'06 Superlight R400

Chevrolet
'65 Corvette Stingray

De Lorean
'81 DMC-12

Ferrari
'63 250 GTO
'04 F430
'06 599 GTB Foriano
'03 Enzo

Ford
'?? Mustang

Gumpert
'05 Apollo

Jaguar
'?? S-Type

Lamborghini
'78 Countache LP400
'03 Gallardo
'05 Murcielago

Lotus
'08 Exige GT3RR

Maserati
'57 250F

Mini (Austin)
'64 Cooper S

Panoz
'97 GTR-1

Peugeot
'07 Flux Concept

RUF
'05 RGT

Shelby
'67 GT500E

Subaru
'98 Impreza 22B STi

Toyota
'67 2000GT
'98 GT-one
'93 Supra Turbo

TVR
'04 Sagaris

Vanwall
'05 GPR V12

PGR4 WIP MOTORCYCLE/BIKE LIST

Buell
'?? ????

Honda
'06 CBR 600RR

Kawasaki
'06 Ninja ZX-14

MV Agusta
'06 F4 1000 Senna

PGR4 WIP LOCATIONS LIST

London
Tokyo
New York
Las Vegas
Nurburgring
Shanghai
St. Petersburg
Quebec City
Macau
Michelin Test Track

I'd rather prefer Top Gear Test Track (it'd be jewel in Forza 2, for instance) than Michelin Test Track but well, it's a very original inclusion so it's ok for me. I miss Edinburgh

almighty · Jul 10, 2007

Not ONE of those screens is from gameplay

Tap In · Jul 10, 2007

wow, some of those pics look downright amazing... the lighting is perfectly realistic looking

pakotlar · Jul 11, 2007

almighty said:
Not ONE of those screens is from gameplay

um proof that it won't look like that outside of a slight downgrade in AA to 4x? afaik, devs have said that photmode is not yet implemented, at least up until this batch of SS's. give me a link saying these are photomode? I agree that AA has been tweaked, but photomode (at least as seen in PGR3) would indicate an improved light model. motion blur could very easily be in game.

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