PS4 Pro Speculation (PS4K NEO Kaio-Ken-Kutaragi-Kaz Neo-san)
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No way you are seeing PS4 at those prices so soon IMO...it's still 349, traditionally you have seen Xbox either equal or $50 less. Xbox is currently "temporarily" 299...Also we have last gen to look at, I dont remember the details but it seemed like pulling teeth to even get those to 249/199 late in the gen.
Edit: Just checking the MS store it seems 500GB 360 is currently officially $199 and 4GB $159
That could actually be a point in PS4k's favor. If prices are going to be stuck around 300+ anyway...
They don't have to drop the current Ps4 price to $249. A slim version that cost them less to produce could be priced at $249 though. If the neo ends up costing $399 the difference in hardware alone should be > $100. If they end up having a regular Ps4 at $299 nobody would buy that instead of the neo.
It's nice idea but I wouldn't expect it at E3. At E3 if we are lucky we see slim's+permanent 299 IMO.
To me throwing some more CU's in is probably really cheap. They aren't altering the RAM or anything.
PC cards laugh at 3 teraflops and have for a long time. Mid/low range is 4+.
To me throwing some more CU's in is probably really cheap. They aren't altering the RAM or anything.
PC cards laugh at 3 teraflops and have for a long time. Mid/low range is 4+.
Its a real shame cause even if they stayed at the same res for games having double the ram could really increase the quality of the graphics. We wouldn't get so many repeated textures.
I'm hoping if Phil isn't blowing smoke and they go for a bigger jump for the xbox they will double the ram at least
DF put undue importance on the availability of retail configurations for GPUs when discussing semi-custom APU designs.
Vudu stream UHD and Sony has their own 4K streaming service starting soon as well. That said, I fully expect the PS4K to be UHD Bluray compatible. That information simply isn't germane to the developers. The HDR/10bit color support could be their for games, too. Those details may not have been in whatever technical brief was posted.
The games media's ability to correctly parse technical information is almost universally awful. Even DF fall into mind traps of their own making.
They wouldn't announce it at E3 unless its coming out this year , but I expect 2017 for it.
Announcing it at e3 without releasing it this year would kill their sales and would also kill psvr sales as who would buy it if the extra box worth of hardware is put into the ps4 neo
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PS4k has 4.2TF. It's a pretty huge boost from the 1.84 in PS4 or 1.31 in Xbox One.
cheapchips
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Surely anyone not using virtual texturing these days is doing it wrong? I'm sure their are other arguments for more ram though.
One word : inertia...
Or Kojima! PS3 wasn't powerful enough for the MGS he wanted to make. Now he's in partnership with Sony and first thing he did was probably complain about the lack of power and convince Sony he needed a special console to realise his game. Expect MGS Neo (only it won't be MGS, of course)
At increased cost to devs. Are they really going to spend extra on creating a niche Pro version of their games? They'd have to sell a graphics pack to justify it IMO.
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Kojima? Squenix? No, it is either the request from Fumito Ueda to realize his weird creature creation to the fullest or because of Kaz felt the car wasn't realistic enough in GT Sport. He wanted to simulate the smell of burning rubber and gasoline. Also better moon simulation and probably add Jupiter, Mars, and Venus.
Do you have any kind of a source for that claim? Because this is the first I ever heard of it, and we've had multiple PS2 devs on this board.
Your lossy compression scheme discarded the underboob. That is unacceptable image quality!
PS3 era was (painfully!) long and fruitful; customers got their money's worth out of that one, and then some. There is no genuine comparison to current consoles IMO.
Upgrading these is a much bigger job. RAM, because fast RAM is difficult and expensive, and memory subsystem of PS4 is already pretty fast as it is. CPU, because CPUs are complicated and fuckups here have extremely serious repercussions (including hardware recalls and extremely expensive replacements and so on.)
12GB RAM is assymmetrical. Assuming GDDR even supports that, you'd cut bandwidth in half when accessing the additional 4GB. It would have to be 16GB, and 16GB of 7GHz GDDR would cost a penny, probably.
Replacing CPU cores is a Big Job, and even assuming AMD has the engineering resources for it (they might well not), what would they replace it with? Zen isn't ready, and Puma is not a significant increase; likely not enough to warrant the large cost in time, effort and money required. Keeping CPU complex intact and just bumping clocks on the other hand is a much less painful effort.
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Like it or not, their (as in the enthusiast press) opinion on the matter carries a lot more weight than that of a bunch of tech-savvy folk arguing over pixels in some far away corner of the internet.
I think Polaris is supposed to be 2.5X performance per watt. I'm not sure how to factor that into the raw increase.
The War Boys will quickly come to terms with this now it's confirmed, and will soon come to believe it's a positive thing and get excited. And the feckless enthusiast press will soon be suckling from Sony's teet at press events and with personal test units being scattered amongst the most deserving.
Sony are going to have a mental Christmas with revenue through the roof, while MS cry in the poorhouse.
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