You Americans better make Bush win this election
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Youll love free trade until all your good paying jobs go over to china/india because wages are 2/3 to 3/4 less. At least youll be able to buy your hardware cheap.K.I.L.E.R said:I want that free trade agreement.
I want that agreement and I couldn't care less about losses to other people becuase of it.
Computer prices will go down. Then I don't have to spend > $1100 for a high end video card.
later,
epic
Sorry, but only crap paying jobs will go over to India/China.
I have already done my business unit and outsourcing isn't anywhere near as bad as the media portrays it.
Not only that but a vast majority of companies despise outsourcing because of the potential failures from the word go.
BTW: Don't read news/media reports about this stuff, I was foolish to do so and I paid the price (the teacher made me look like an idiot).
I have already done my business unit and outsourcing isn't anywhere near as bad as the media portrays it.
Not only that but a vast majority of companies despise outsourcing because of the potential failures from the word go.
BTW: Don't read news/media reports about this stuff, I was foolish to do so and I paid the price (the teacher made me look like an idiot).
epicstruggle said:Youll love free trade until all your good paying jobs go over to china/india because wages are 2/3 to 3/4 less. At least youll be able to buy your hardware cheap.K.I.L.E.R said:I want that free trade agreement.
I want that agreement and I couldn't care less about losses to other people becuase of it.
Computer prices will go down. Then I don't have to spend > $1100 for a high end video card.
later,
epic
Ill tell my friend from IBM who lost his job(along with few thousand others) to an outsourcing company in India his job was "crap paying". Difference in wages was almost 50,000 dollars per person.K.I.L.E.R said:
what are you talking about?
Hasnt stopped millions of jobs from leaving the US to asia. Levi's jeans also now completly made outside of US. So even non-tech related businesses are also leaving.
I cant believe im saying this, but either we need to institute a world wide minimum wage, or tarrifs on businesses who take jobs overseas.
later,
epic
That jobs are leaving western countries and goes to third world countries is something good IMO. It's the essence of how capitalism in the long term will actually solve the inequality problem. Third world countries that have liberated their market and opened up for foreign investment grows at rates far beyond that of developed countries. For instance have south korea gone from poverty similar to many african countries to almost western standards in just 25 years.
Humus said:
Well, of course u're always going to have the people in the developed countries screaming abuse because they lose jobs. Personally, if i lost my job because of this i'd be ballistic to. But in the end it is clear society as a whole benefits from outsourcing.
As you said, this could be very well the beginning of the end of world poverty, and in the long run it can only be a very very good thing. Even though, sadly, this means that many people in rich countries lose their jobs. In the end, they will never be in situations that are as bad as those starving children in third world countries, thanks to the welfare system in most rich countries.
How much was he getting?
Where did you quote "crap paying" from? Certainly not from me.
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I said "crap jobs", I never mentioned pay anywhere in there and don't assume that I did because pay wasn't implied in my quote.
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A "crap job" is usually defined by the persons opinion.
I think every job is crap unless it involves me making games all by myself and borrowing free artowork/music/sound/resources to include in my games.
That job will never get outsourced.
Hence only crap jobs will get outsourced.
(Do I have to tell people what part of my writing is my opinion? My English teacher in year 12 told me not to worry about it but it seems people tend to take my preferences like they actually mean something to them.)
I'm sure your friends views will differ from mine and I'm sure just about everyones views will differ from my own.
I'm knowledgeable on this subject and I know I am correct when I say that outsourcing isn't nearly as bad as you say it is.
So? In Australia there are almost no Australian made products, even most products which have AM on them are made in Asia(check the bloody tags), our entire textile industry was always in trouble and now the government is trying to get rid of it all together. We have had countless jobs outsourced but yet there are still many jobs being created in the textile industry despite all the outsourcing and problems which have occured. Why? Becuase outsourcing isn't anywhere near as bad as people say it is.
Tech jobs... go to Career One and look at how many tech jobs which haven't been taken which reside only in Melbourne (not around Melbourne, not outside Melbourne but in Melbourne), there are thousands (literally) of high tech (mostly programming) jobs available. Yet there are thousands of jobs that are not even advertised and not only that but high tech jobs are still getting added on a daily basis. Hell, I've seen a job add for a Java programmer last year (I kept my eye on it because I want it
) and it is still there. After all this time.My point?
For us Aussies, outsourcing isn't a threat at all. It may even prove to be something positive.
With you Americans, it still doesn't look like much of a problem.
My reaction when I read your statement was: "Only a few thousand jobs left? That's all?".
It hasn't come anywhere close to that point for such a thing to occur. If it does, who would be the ones to decide such a thing? The UN with the cooperation of every country who is a member of the UN. Something like this would have to be voted for and I can see all the western countries grouping together for their united vote and then all the 2nd and 3rd world countries will be left in the dark again. This is pure speculation on my part of course.
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K.I.L.E.R said:
It's says "crap paying" right up there. Ya know, in that message from you. The one you typed in.
Outsourcing is unavoidable, and as a lot of you have said can be potentially advantageous to the global economy. Having said all that, I'm not in the position (yet) where my job is at risk because of this. If it was I'm sure my view would change. As it is I'm not entirely sure whether moving every call-centre ever created to India is entirely a could thing for the consumer in the UK.
In fact, Barcalys are moving back all their call centres from India to the UK because of poor quality of service, they're gonna put them in Wales, which aint much of a difference anyway...
(sorry couldn't resist...)
(sorry couldn't resist...)
Gerry said:
Whoops. I didn't mean to type crap paying jobs. My bad. I apologise.
I meant to say crap jobs. Crap paying jobs are usually toilet cleaning and dusting peoples houses.
I think we all want to outsource those jobs.
You're right on the India thing, imagine how many complaints end up at Dell's American branch about English speakers getting crappy tech support.
That happened to Dell last year and then they [re?]opened up a call centre in America.
What r u talking about KILER? It's never too clear if you're joking or talking seriously... :|
If you outsourced toilet cleaners, u'd have to move the toilets. Then eveytime u have to take a crap u'd have to go to India
If you outsourced toilet cleaners, u'd have to move the toilets. Then eveytime u have to take a crap u'd have to go to India
Thats' what we might call "outsourcing crap"!!
Errr...
Errr...
london-boy said:What r u talking about KILER? It's never too clear if you're joking or talking seriously... :|
If you outsourced toilet cleaners, u'd have to move the toilets. Then eveytime u have to take a crap u'd have to go to India
LOL! Why not just have a tube from your house that goes into India?
Crap jobs != Crap paying jobs.
Crap jobs = jobs that suck.
Crap paying jobs = jobs no matter how fun/not fun they are, they pay a measly amount.
I think toilet cleaning is fun.
london-boy said:
Watch it boyo, or we'll set the Taffia on you!
Have to admit I'm a bit confused about outsourcing toilet cleaning jobs to India as well. Very strange. I think I'll have to mull over the way KILER's mind works for a little while! Maybe we can outsource the burger flippers at McDonalds while we're at it.
Good idea. We can get our Mc's in the mail.
I wander if people will crap in our burgers rather than spit in them.
I wander if people will crap in our burgers rather than spit in them.
Gerry said:london-boy said:
Watch it boyo, or we'll set the Taffia on you!
Have to admit I'm a bit confused about outsourcing toilet cleaning jobs to India as well. Very strange. I think I'll have to mull over the way KILER's mind works for a little while! Maybe we can outsource the burger flippers at McDonalds while we're at it.
Just so its clear to you kiler. The jobs that are migrating/moving to india china are good paying high-tech jobs. In the range of $50k-$75k per year. Manufacturing jobs that could have moved overseas are mostly there now. Crayons are no longer made in the US.
Look I have no problems with jobs going to india/china. But the problem is that this will not end poverty. Yes money will enter those markets, but the population factor will only cause them to fire high paid workers(for their country) for those coming up.
later,
epic
Look I have no problems with jobs going to india/china. But the problem is that this will not end poverty. Yes money will enter those markets, but the population factor will only cause them to fire high paid workers(for their country) for those coming up.
later,
epic
K.I.L.E.R said:Good idea. We can get our Mc's in the mail.
I wander if people will crap in our burgers rather than spit in them.
I thought that was included in the price already!
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