"Yes, but how many polygons?" An artist blog entry with interesting numbers

[Cloofoofoo]

Macross M3 - Dreamcast
The stages were definitely put together by editor making it impossible to piece it. All there is props and polygon tiles for floors , walls and so on.

Variable Glaug (player) - 1,324 triangles

Vf 5000 - 1,239 triangles

Final boss - 3,039 triangles

Glaug ( regular enemy) - 728 triangles

 

[Cloofoofoo]

Dogu Senki Haouh - Dreamcast

The summon models are jumbled with their limbs inside the body but they are complete. Summons have a high lod (pictured) and a low lod usually around 300 to 400 triangles.

Stage 70 - 7,488 triangles

stage 999 - 9.952 triangles

Leader (player upgraded) - 2484 triangles

lion wind summon - 1,078 triangles

bird wind summon - 1,337 triangles

 

[Cloofoofoo]

Ripping riders/ Cool boarders Burn! - Dreamcast

Jimmy - 1,373 triangles

Monica - 1,473 triangles

Stage 2 - 43,386 triangles

stage 3 - 48, 825 triangles

Credit playable stage -31,578 triangles

 

[Cloofoofoo]

Sakura Wars 4 ( revisited) - Dreamcast
This is a more in depth look at it, the stage are now complete with their segments and props. Also showing that all characters used a hi lod and low models that switched during gameplay when the character was active or inactive. Also fully assembled the final boss as well as finally showing regular enemy.

Sobu ( hi lod) - 2,938 triangles

Sobu (low lod) - 1,774 triangles

Kobu ( sakura) (hi lod) - 2,368 triangles

Kobu(sakura)(low lod) - 1,177 triangles

Boss 2 (low lod) - 2,548 triangles

Boss 02( hi lod , upper + lower segment) - 1,364 triangles + 1,280 triangles = 2,644 triangles)

Regular enemy (hi lod) - 1,198 triangles

regular enemy (low lod) - 750 triangles

Final boss - 5,438 triangles

First stage - 6,146 triangles

second stage - 6,843 triangles

pedestrian - 1,853 triangles

 

[Cloofoofoo]

Seven Mansions - Dreamcast ( revisited )
Last two times I looked at the enemies and bosses , this last time is a closer look at the stages. Also Strangely enough when character change their weapon is actually the whole model that changes which a built in weapon in their hand. Stages mid point to end are much denser. character shadow meshes are about 300 triangles.

Reina with laser pen - 3,229 triangles

kei with knife - 3,229 triangles

npc/ Earnest? - 2,837 triangles

Final stage mech hanger - 5,293 triangles

doomsday mech chrysalis in the middle of final stage room - 2,790 triangles

virus room - 6,173 triangles

 

[Cloofoofoo]

King of fighters Evolution - Dreamcast
The stages were 3d , assets were in pieces , had to assemble them, to make things worse most had a duplicate since the game had alternate versions of them. The lab stage has these weird high poly horn things on top, not sure what it is. Seems like a big jump from last game.

Garden arches - 17, 675 triangles

Boss lab first time - 42,214 triangles

tunnel - 8,590 triangles

 

[Cloofoofoo]

Next game is Godzilla Generations Maximum Impact. Godzilla and the monsters range from 2,400 to 2,800 triangles. The game uses very hi res textures for stages and alot of them(around 20) . Usually 256x256 , some 512x512 , some 128x128, some 512x32/512x64. Most are vq compressed and only the rectangular ones arent . The monsters use around 40 textures half at 128x128 and half 256x256 (both 16 bit). All in all you probably have multiple megabytes of texture compressed to half a megabyte( not even counting skybox, effects , hud). The destruction stages are stored in pieces so there isnt much to show compared to the boss arena.

Godzilla - 2,420 triangles

Destroyah - 2,454 triangles

Boss arena - 6,288triangles

Boss arena floor - 516 triangles

Building - 312 triangles

512x512 vq texture

256x256 vq texture

 

[xaeroxcore]

Next game is Godzilla Generations Maximum Impact. Godzilla and the monsters range from 2,400 to 2,800 triangles. The game uses very hi res textures for stages and alot of them(around 20) . Usually 256x256 , some 512x512 , some 128x128, some 512x32/512x64. Most are vq compressed and only the rectangular ones arent . The monsters use around 40 textures half at 128x128 and half 256x256 (both 16 bit). All in all you probably have multiple megabytes of texture compressed to half a megabyte( not even counting skybox, effects , hud). The destruction stages are stored in pieces so there isnt much to show compared to the boss arena.

Godzilla - 2,420 triangles

Destroyah - 2,454 triangles

Boss arena - 6,288triangles

Boss arena floor - 516 triangles

Building - 312 triangles

512x512 vq texture

256x256 vq texture

Wow, very detailed textures!! Looks like something you would see on HD consoles....

 

[Cloofoofoo]

Next is crazy taxi 2 ,uses naomilib. The city maps are very large. Surprisingly the smaller is more polygon heavy . For the taxi cars it employs two lod. The higher polygon load for when the camera is showing the front has higher detail exterior, steering wheel , high detail tires. High lod is up to 1,700 triangles. Low lod have the entire front of the car deleted and the tires are super low detail(they are billboarded cilinders). Usually around 1,000 triangles. Pedestrians are around 400 triangles and drivers are around 600 triangles. Max pedestrians in a car 4 plus the driver is up to 3,500 triangles for fully loaded low lod taxi or near 4,000 triangles for fully loaded high lod taxi.

Around apple(big map) - 135,747 triangles

Small apple (small map) - 166,151 triangles

Taxi cab high lod - 1,526 triangles

Taxi cab low lod - 1,057 triangles

Taxi driver - 617 triangles

pedestrian - 426 triangles

Menu selection Driver hi poly - 2,031 triangles

 

[Cloofoofoo]

Next is mortal kombat gold now that someone has made an asset extractor for it. Unsurprisingly dense, considering the characters were mentioned to be 3,000 polygons for the arcade machine who renders ONLY QUADS, so on average the MK gold characters are 6,000 triangles. The stages seem to range from 1,300 triangles to around 8,000.( the pieces may be jumbled up but its all there.) Surprisingly some stages use morph target animations ( which is a pain to manually delete all model duplicates.) Textures are decently hi rez, the stages use multiple 512x512 texture atlases and the characters seem to use one 512x256 texture. Some might even have additional 512x512 texture for their fatalities effects. I find it funny how high poly the characters are, Ill include a screen shot of a soul calibur 2 character whose also around the ballpark trianglewise.

Mortal Kombat Gold - Dreamcast

Jax - 6,166 triangles

Sonya - 5,898 triangles

Noob Saibot - 6,131 triangles

The tomb - 3,303 triangles

Snake/reptile lair - 3,386 triangles

Cave - 5,194 triangles

Scythe/weapon - 143 triangles

Example of a Soul calibur 2 characer + weapon to compare to - 6,749 triangles

 

[xaeroxcore]

Next is mortal kombat gold now that someone has made an asset extractor for it. Unsurprisingly dense, considering the characters were mentioned to be 3,000 polygons for the arcade machine who renders ONLY QUADS, so on average the MK gold characters are 6,000 triangles. The stages seem to range from 1,300 triangles to around 8,000.( the pieces may be jumbled up but its all there.) Surprisingly some stages use morph target animations ( which is a pain to manually delete all model duplicates.) Textures are decently hi rez, the stages use multiple 512x512 texture atlases and the characters seem to use one 512x256 texture. Some might even have additional 512x512 texture for their fatalities effects. I find it funny how high poly the characters are, Ill include a screen shot of a soul calibur 2 character whose also around the ballpark trianglewise.

Mortal Kombat Gold - Dreamcast

Jax - 6,166 triangles

Sonya - 5,898 triangles

Noob Saibot - 6,131 triangles

The tomb - 3,303 triangles

Snake/reptile lair - 3,386 triangles

Cave - 5,194 triangles

Scythe/weapon - 143 triangles

Example of a Soul calibur 2 characer + weapon to compare to - 6,749 triangles

6K? polys per character? daaaaaamn, techinically, with a proper art direction MK Gold would have looked similar to MK V, at least character wise... But they look very PS1ish...What a waste of resources....

In other hand, Crazy Taxy is the opposite, cant believe cars are just 1,5k on the high LOD....They look very detailed ingame....and look better than games with supossed more polys per car as Sega GT (2K per car), V-Rally 2 (2.5 k per car) and others....And can´t belive how crazy high are geometry numbers on the stages..Crazy taxy 2 really took full advantage of DC!

 

[Cloofoofoo]

Seems dolphin actually plays nice with the rippers for accurate poly counts. Thats means the whole stats info was broken or counting something else. Here i compared vanessa I extracted from disc files( tposed) to vanessa ripped. 100% match. Seems actual actual number from wii/gamecube might actually be 2x to 3x less than the emulator reported. This opens door for more extractions now!

Vanessa from pn03 asset from disc(t pose) vs ripped :

 

[xaeroxcore]

Seems dolphin actually plays nice with the rippers for accurate poly counts. Thats means the whole stats info was broken or counting something else. Here i compared vanessa I extracted from disc files( tposed) to vanessa ripped. 100% match. Seems actual actual number from wii/gamecube might actually be 2x to 3x less than the emulator reported. This opens door for more extractions now!

Vanessa from pn03 asset from disc(t pose) vs ripped :

Good Olde PN03, i remember being surprised of how good vanessa model looked and say, this is one of those GCN games that are beyond PS2 capabilities...and then came RE4 and i thought the same multiplied, but Capcom proved everyone wrong and could port it to PS2 with cuts, drawbacks and all...

Now that you´re on Wii/Cube, which games polycount wise of those consoles do you think are on Dreamcast reach?

Also i´m following the thread on Sega 16 in which you and the others post great numbers and data, like this one, but for some reason it does not allow me to reply or post , despite having a user.

 

[Cloofoofoo]

Quake 3 : Arena - Dreamcast
Surprisingly uses standard quake 3 models in zip files. Players are in highest lod.

shotgun - 558 triangles

rocket launcher - 405 triangles

Slash - 185 triangles + 356 triangles + 393 triangles =935 triangles

sorlag - 64 triangles + 386 triangle + 400 triangles = 850 triangles

map13 - 20,862 triangles

map11 - 17,119 triangles

map21 - 17,162 triangles

 

[xaeroxcore]

Quake 3 : Arena - Dreamcast
Surprisingly uses standard quake 3 models in zip files. Players are in highest lod.

shotgun - 558 triangles

rocket launcher - 405 triangles

Slash - 185 triangles + 356 triangles + 393 triangles =935 triangles

sorlag - 64 triangles + 386 triangle + 400 triangles = 850 triangles

map13 - 20,862 triangles

map11 - 17,119 triangles

map21 - 17,162 triangles

Great numbers! Characters has the polycount expected (something under 1k), but it´s understandable....Stages are surprisingly low, because they look very detailed... I guess PS2s Quake 3 Revolution sports higher numbers on stages, similar numbers on characters....

 

[xaeroxcore]

Please anyone maybe has 4x4 evo dreamcast numbers?

 

[xaeroxcore]

What´s up my friends! Please don´t let this thread die!!!

 

[Sonicfan]

this is probably the most advanced model of the 6th Gen. This or maybe re4, though these textures are better, he's got individual teeth, and a very expressive face. I take it back, this Is definitely the most advanced!

 

[Liandry]

Is it possible what someone can upload some screenshots and data obot polygon count from Everquest, Everquest 2, Guild Wars, Guild Wars 2, World of Warcraft Classic, World of Warcrafr Retail and The Elder Scrolls Online?

 

[xaeroxcore]

@Cloofoofoo please post the same info about the test of Soul Calibur 2 models and textures on Dreamcast that you posted on Sega 16 forum! Technically is a real proof SC2 could run on DC!