"Yes, but how many polygons?" An artist blog entry with interesting numbers

[Cloofoofoo]

Btw we are seeing only DC numbers, but I am curious also for Sega Saturn, N64, Playstation1 and 2

I guess someone better get on that. Personally i only do dc.

 

[Cloofoofoo]

Cannon spike - Dreamcast

City stage part 1- 10,896 triangles


Warehouse - 11,306 triangles


Train that carries boss antonio - 1,932 triangles


Part of city stage 1 boss - 1,145 triangles


arthur ( jumbled) 2,424 triangles (player characters range from 2,000 to 2,500 triangles)


Basic enemy - 617 triangle

 

[Cloofoofoo]

Silent Scope - Arcade(3dfx/voodoo based)/Dreamcast/ps2

Stage 1 buildings - 6,493 triangles

Lady - 1,184 triangles

boss - 1,078 triangles

regular enemy - 984 triangles

 

[Cloofoofoo]

Bomber HeHe! - Dreamcast.

Unique game about blowing buildings up. Seems to store stages by skybox/background then actual structure to destroy and then its interior. If not for different challenges its just broken up to segments.

Skybox/ backdrop for the dog and man statues - 8,230 triangles

Dog statues - 11,541 triangles

Man statue - 2,484 triangles

Castle part a - 4,036 triangles

Castle part b - 4,684 triangles

Skybox\backdrop for urban challenges - 4,810 triangles

 

[Cloofoofoo]

Seventh Cross Fighting Integration Disc - Dreamcast

Seems to be exactly the same assets on the disc as the full game. I just show off some different models. As the main game the player character is divded to head, arms , chest and legs with bone count ranging from tens to hundreds of bones.

Player - Perfect Human form with weapon - 4,592 triangles

Aquatic Creature - 3,589 triangles

Frog - 4,240 triangles

Cave - 9,115 triangles

 

[jpscorpio]

Cloofoofoo are you still going to do Spider-man polygon numbers for Dreamcast?

 

[Cloofoofoo]

Cloofoofoo are you still going to do Spider-man polygon numbers for Dreamcast?

Probably not. I did it before , its using the tony hawk 1 engine. Theres tools for that. Memory is hazy so I can only give you rough numbers. stages ranged from 5k to 15k triangles. Enemies are around 1.2 k triangles. spiderman ranges 2k to 2.5 triangles. Again this all from the top of my head from years ago.

 

[Cloofoofoo]

Advanced Great Strategy 2001 - Dreamcast

Plane - 877 triangles ( usually in a squad of around 5 )

Turrets - 9,856 triangles

fortress - 6,458 triangles

soldier on horseback - 812 triangles ( many in a group)

ground soldier - 858 triangles ( usually in group of around 9 of them)

town - 3,422 triangles

port - 4,660 triangles

Rural town - 5,293 triangles

Battleship - 6,197 triangles

tank 912 triangles ( usually in squad of 5)

Submarine - 2,111 triangles

 

[Cloofoofoo]

Tricolore Crise - Dreamcast

BattleMap - 4,644 triangles

Character room - 8,254 triangles

Final dungeon overworld map - 20,062 triangles

Forest overworld map - 8,546 triangles

Player character - 1,271 triangles( on the battlemap characters use flatten version of the same mesh for shadows of themselves)

enemy/summon? - 1,481 triangles

enemy - 1,694 triangles

 

[Cloofoofoo]

Seaman - Dreamcast ( seamans face/head is stored in an unknown place so only the bodys are displayed here.)


Cricketman? - 2,618 triangles

Nearly adult seaman, body only - 1,788 triangles

larva - 2,114 triangles

spider - 2,816 triangles

Seaman adult body only - 1,897

nautilus without shell - 2,404 triangles

 

[snc]

Seaman - Dreamcast ( seamans face/head is stored in an unknown place so only the bodys are displayed here.)


Cricketman? - 2,618 triangles

Nearly adult seaman, body only - 1,788 triangles

larva - 2,114 triangles

spider - 2,816 triangles

Seaman adult body only - 1,897

nautilus without shell - 2,404 triangles

do you have info about charaters and stages poly count in games like soul calibur, code veronica, sonic adventure, shenmue 1,2, vf3 ?

 

[Cloofoofoo]

BikkuriMan 2000 - Viva! Festival! - dreamcast


Gameboard + building for gameboard - 8,031 triangles + 5,544 triangles

Shrine - 15,333 triangles

Pillars in the slot machine room - 6,984 triangles

slot machine - 2,478 triangles

Zeus statue - 2,862 triangles

 

[Cloofoofoo]

Derby Tsuku - Dreamcast
( game can have up to 18 horses on screen, backgrounds are 2d unless a specific camera angle is needed. )

Gameplay jockey + horse - 1,386 triangles

Max level Ranch - 16,550 triangles

Cutscene detail jockey + horse - 2,982 triangles

ranch horse - 1,997 triangles

lvl 1 ranch - 3,943 triangles

3d track section - 626 triangles

 

[Nesh]

I wonder which game pushed the most polygons on the Dreamcast and PS2 respectively and how much.

 

[davis.anthony]

I wonder which game pushed the most polygons on the Dreamcast and PS2 respectively and how much.

On PS2 it was an F1 game and a game called Haven.

Haven was stupidly impressive and was basically a PS2 version of No Mans Sky.

 

[Cloofoofoo]

I wonder which game pushed the most polygons on the Dreamcast and PS2 respectively and how much.

While hes not wrong about haven and grand prix challenge they actually arent the highest or most impressive. They are more or less tied with Jak 3 when i checked the vertices per frame counter on pcsx2 . They all pretty much top out at over 80k vertices per frame with jak 3 keeping higher scene complexity for gameplay consistently than the other two( especially haven who seems to fall to 7k to 20k vertices per frame). Ironically its Segas Virtua football pro that takes the number 1 spot with 100K vertices per frame in the opening cinematic to a soccer match. I dont think I have any other ps2 game reach as high or higher. Funny enough judging by games behavior its probably an evolution of the same engine that powered dreamcast worst soccer game, 90 minutes soccer. These are all emulator figures so take it with a grain of salt.

For dreamcast judging by what Ive seen demul author say Dead or alive 2 its really optimized for dreamcast , even over segas own offerings judging by the numbers. Doa2 according to that pushes likes 25k to 35k vertices per frame @ 60 fps, with him mentioning that dreamcast might even actually render more triangles than it does vertices. Thats not a bad output considering top ps2 games ran similar numbers at times. Peak ps2 is of course 1.5x to 2.5x faster by the looks of it when compared to peak dc. There was probably no drive to optimize games like tecmo did doa2 for dc since dc sales werent probably all that good.

Haven - 83, 000 vertices per frame

Virtua football pro - 100,000 vertices per frame

Grand prix challenge - 85,000 vertices per frame.

 

[Shifty Geezer]

...with him mentioning that dreamcast might even actually render more triangles than it does vertices.

How's that possible? As far as I'm aware the most optimal triangle count obtainable is slightly less than one per vertex which is where vertices become an analogue for counting triangles.

 

[davis.anthony]

Was Jak 3 still 60fps? I seem to remember they dropped it to 30fps?

Or was that R&C?

 

[Cloofoofoo]

How's that possible? As far as I'm aware the most optimal triangle count obtainable is slightly less than one per vertex which is where vertices become an analogue for counting triangles.

I guess it really depends on the model topology and how much of it can be shared between verts. Heres a snippet of the human readable model format kamui2 for dreamcast could export to( its less a model format and seems more like c code imo that sets up everything from lighting, materials and so on). This is a teapot which has 25,600 triangles that I exported to the dreamcast format, as you can see it has half the amount of vertices compared to triangles. I guess this is what the emu author meant.

/* MESH 0 */

#define teapot01_NumVertex 12882
#define teapot01_NumFaces 25600
#define teapot01_NumStrips 377
#define teapot01_Flags 0x00000034
#define teapot01_Material -1

 

[milk]

How's that possible? As far as I'm aware the most optimal triangle count obtainable is slightly less than one per vertex which is where vertices become an analogue for counting triangles.

Multiple pass rendering, maybe?