Xbox live price going up !

Richard, I thought the UK only got a price increase for the monthly price not the yearly price. EDIT: I checked, the yearly price in the UK is NOT being increased.

You're right, but I'm not following you on why the subscription being bumped up makes a difference in this context; could you elaborate? Mexico's yearly subscription price is being increased, and AFAIK they also don't get all the new services.

Shifty, that's a good theory. But one that's pretty risky if the message that goes to [strike]the EU[/strike] continental Europe and rest of the world where MS needs to catch up is: "your price hike is coming too".
 
Shifty, that's a good theory. But one that's pretty risky if the message that goes to [strike]the EU[/strike] continental Europe and rest of the world where MS needs to catch up is: "your price hike is coming too".
My turn to be cynical - MS don't have a European message, and do absolutely everything based around their NA thinking, with Europe just fitting in where it can. If so, perhaps that's why the MS Live! store is a universal update for all regions, whereas Sony's updates are regionalised and we Europeans lament later releases than the US; MS basically only has a US store that everyone uses! :devilish: Regards Live! pricing, they just dumped a suitably sized fixed cost on Europe and forgot about it while giving themselves time to court distribution partners in the US like Dell and Amazon which allows savvy US shoppers to get Live! at a 1/3 off or more.
 
To be frank, I don't think it's right to charge for online gaming as long as they don't discount the games compared to the ones (PC/PS3) who deliver online for free.
And I also don't get that there isn't more negativity surrounding a price increase in the middle of the console's lifecycle on something as important as access to online-gaming. :-/
Alot of younger gamers probably dosn't have very large gaming-budgets, so I'm not sure that 3 month warning is enough either.
 
Talking about Europe, note that I can rent a few non subtitled movies, the lame twitter and facebook stuff, and that's all I get for my 60 euros apart from the online. I don't even get the community games. I would have to fake a UK account. I don't get anything like ESPN, or Sky, or Netflix, or internet radio ...
 
as noted silver is free. if you don't use the Gold services, then you will drop it and get all of the silver services FREE. yeh. ;)

As for the rest of us. It is the cost of one game per year for the premiere online and social gaming network. Big deal in the grand scheme. Obviously well worth it for millions upon millions of people.

Would we alll prefer it to be free? of course. That's not the way the world works though. When someone invests in a good idea and executes it better than anyone else, they can charge a fee for it (and god forbid) even profit from it. yeh again for capitalsim! :D
 
On the other hand...you don't have much choice either, right?!

Sorry, that premise does not make sense to me.

I choose whether or not to invest in ALL of my entertainment purchases. This is just another one on the list. Just this week I chose to invest $40 for a 3 month pass to NFL Red Zone channel. The only place outside of a DirectTV/NFL ticket subscription to see all the NFL football games each week. No other options but I most certainly had a choice and it was their product, their investment and I think it's worth it, so I paid it. :p

I chose, "Hell yes, show me some of your NFL and here is your $40" *throws money at the tv* :D:LOL::p

Same applies to many people who use and like the Live online gaming/entertainment experience.
 
Sorry, that premise does not make sense to me.

I choose whether or not to invest in ALL of my entertainment purchases. This is just another one on the list. Just this week I chose to invest $40 for a 3 month pass to NFL Red Zone channel. The only place outside of a DirectTV/NFL ticket subscription to see all the NFL football games each week. No other options but I most certainly had a choice and it was their product, their investment and I think it's worth it, so I paid it. :p

I chose, "Hell yes, show me some of your NFL and here is your $40" *throws money at the tv* :D:LOL::p

Same applies to many people who use and like the Live online gaming/entertainment experience.

I just thought about the following: if online gaming would be free, would I even think about Gold member ship - in my situation: a clear no!!

The reason could indeed be (as Arwin pointed out) that in Europe, Gold does not unlock most of the cool stuff you guys talking about.

But, would you really pay for it if online gaming would be free of charge - just a question?

EDIT: I know that the question is pure hypothetical - so we will never get the exact answer.
 
I just thought about the following: if online gaming would be free, would I even think about Gold member ship - in my situation: a clear no!!

The reason could indeed be (as Arwin pointed out) that in Europe, Gold does not unlock most of the cool stuff you guys talking about.

But, would you really pay for it if online gaming would be free of charge - just a question?

EDIT: I know that the question is pure hypothetical - so we will never get the exact answer.

exactly what I was thinking... I can not answer as the reality is too far from the hypothetical for me to answer what I would *actually* do.

as for EU getting the short end of the Gold stick? Well that sucks and is a stupid or short-sighted situation. (probable MS has little choice in some of those matters legally/logistically)
 
But, would you really pay for it if online gaming would be free of charge - just a question?

I wouldn't pay for gold if the online part were free as I don't use any of the other features really. But it's moot, they can get away with charging for online because it's in a different league than the competition. That's all that really matters in the end. As long as psn remains in the cretaceous period in terms of use and features then Microsoft will continue to be able to successfully charge for online. So I'll pay for live as long as I still online game on it since even though psn is free it isn't usable to me. I had honestly hoped that psn would have caught up by now and hence put some pressure on Microsoft, but after all these years it's pretty clear that's not going to happen this gen. Maybe the ps4 will fix their online but then again maybe not. It seems like ps3 users are content with it in it's current state so maybe that's a signal to Sony to just keep it free and primitive. In the end that's fine as long as I have a better option which Microsoft seems happy to provide so I'll just stick with them. That way I can get great online and others can go ahead and choose the free option.


as for EU getting the short end of the Gold stick? Well that sucks and is a stupid or short-sighted situation. (probable MS has little choice in some of those matters legally/logistically)

Yeah I always forget about that, the EU doesn't really get Live, they get a limited subset of it.
 
To be frank, I don't think it's right to charge for online gaming as long as they don't discount the games compared to the ones (PC/PS3) who deliver online for free.
And I also don't get that there isn't more negativity surrounding a price increase in the middle of the console's lifecycle on something as important as access to online-gaming. :-/
Alot of younger gamers probably dosn't have very large gaming-budgets, so I'm not sure that 3 month warning is enough either.

Corporations exist to make as much money as they can in any way that they can. Saying that it isn't right for a company to charge for something that people are obviously willing to pay for makes about as much sense to me as saying that it isn't right that lions chase and kill animals for food when gazelles can survive by eating grass.
 
I didn't realize EU didn't get all of the NA Live features. That sucks, and explains some of the curious posts I've read from EU folks. Hopefully, MS will step and offer this stuff to everyone.

As far as value goes, I guess I'd still pay for Live if online gaming was free. I really like party/cross game chat features, and I use Netflix quite a lot. It's worth it to me.
 
as noted silver is free. if you don't use the Gold services, then you will drop it and get all of the silver services FREE. yeh. ;)

As for the rest of us. It is the cost of one game per year for the premiere online and social gaming network. Big deal in the grand scheme. Obviously well worth it for millions upon millions of people.

Would we alll prefer it to be free? of course. That's not the way the world works though. When someone invests in a good idea and executes it better than anyone else, they can charge a fee for it (and god forbid) even profit from it. yeh again for capitalsim! :D

Well worth it, or the only choice?

I don't want anyone to be offended by this, but people are sheep. You couldn't charge a person a fee of several hundred dollars up front and say "here, you are now able to play online for a few years!". But if you feed them in increments, and say "oh, it's only a measly cost of a game every year, teehee" then they'll eat it up. It's not as hard to swallow.

The point is, "no big deal" is a crock of donkey poop. It is a big deal. I would MUCH rather have more money in my wallet to, you know, play an actual GAME instead of paying for a service that literally costs them pennies to run for each individual users.

It still baffles me that people are so willing to just throw away their hard earned money. It speaks volumes to how folks value their earnings now a days. I value my hard earned money, and I'm not just going to throw it away because some schmuck at MS decided they "could get away with it".

I think this price hike is a bait and switch, clear as day. Hundreds of thousands of new users who will JUMP at the opportunity to get Live for $40 a year, you know "because it's a steal" and then in the years to follow they'll be paying for services they probably don't even use!

Yea, I'll stick to SP games only on my 360, Live and die in a fire.


Corporations exist to make as much money as they can in any way that they can. Saying that it isn't right for a company to charge for something that people are obviously willing to pay for makes about as much sense to me as saying that it isn't right that lions chase and kill animals for food when gazelles can survive by eating grass.

So then folks should just sit back and be willing to accept price hikes? Have fun setting the price margins for games next year then! Microsoft lead the hike to $60, and I have no doubt that, "because they can" they'll hike it up to $70 next generation. You do realize that this will ultimately lead to a collapse right? The market will saturate to a point where there are millions upon millions of users who are 'fine' with what they have, and each generation will be harder and harder to 'start up' so to speak.

Point is, this kind of behavior is counter productive. The market won't be able to sustain itself if the prices keep rising for no reason at all. There isn't even a justification here to fall back on, no new hardware, new services, nothing. It's just small services that they provide, a connection from one peer to another. They're ripping folks off, and folks love it. Why? Because they simply aren't smart enough to know any better. Ugh...
 
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We're all sheep guys. We've been tricked, and we didn't even realize it. What's wrong with us kids, nowadays. Don't we understand the value of hard earned cash?

Thanks for opening our eyes, the_con. I'm going to go home, cancel my Live membership and sell my 360 right away. I've been such a fool.
 
I didn't realize EU didn't get all of the NA Live features. That sucks, and explains some of the curious posts I've read from EU folks. Hopefully, MS will step and offer this stuff to everyone.

As far as value goes, I guess I'd still pay for Live if online gaming was free. I really like party/cross game chat features, and I use Netflix quite a lot. It's worth it to me.

I live in Canada and I don't even get access to all the gold features. No Netflix here, for now anyways. Should be available in a few months. ESPN probably won't work when that feature is added.
 
We're all sheep guys. We've been tricked, and we didn't even realize it. What's wrong with us kids, nowadays. Don't we understand the value of hard earned cash?

Thanks for opening our eyes, the_con. I'm going to go home, cancel my Live membership and sell my 360 right away. I've been such a fool.

And you don't think it's silly to just blindly accept a price hike w/out questioning it at all? Seriously? You wouldn't rather spend that money on tangible entertainment or things you need, rather than a nearly free to provide service? Because if you have extra money just lying around, I could certainly use it.
 
And you don't think it's silly to just blindly accept a price hike w/out questioning it at all? Seriously? You wouldn't rather spend that money on tangible entertainment or things you need, rather than a nearly free to provide service? Because if you have extra money just lying around, I could certainly use it.

I already stated, early in this thread, that I was unhappy with the price increase. Still, I'll pay for a good service that I like, mostly because the competition is balls. Who is not questioning the price increase? That's what this entire thread is about. I'd rather spend my money to play online games with a service I like, then buy a whole bunch of online games to play on a service that I think is really shit. There is a limit to what I'll pay. An extra $10 a year isn't it. Do I think there's any reason their increasing the price other than because they can? No. I imagine it has a lot to do with making a ton of money of Halo Reach.
 
tha_con,
You really seem to be going out of your way on this issue. Of course no one wants to spend extra money for no reason. What you can't seem to get is that Live offers enough value to some that it's worth paying for. It's a bit odd why you can't just accept this and move on.

Are you afraid Sony will follow MS' lead and charge for PSN?
 
this thread is starting to sound more like a debate between Communism and Capitalism. ;)

I can't wait to see the meltdowns when publishers start charging subscription services to the online portions of their games that you had to buy all while paying a subscription to your online console service AND have to pay your online network provider.

The horror of companies providing a value added service and expecting to profit from it! ;D
 
And you don't think it's silly to just blindly accept a price hike w/out questioning it at all? Seriously? You wouldn't rather spend that money on tangible entertainment or things you need, rather than a nearly free to provide service? Because if you have extra money just lying around, I could certainly use it.
Apart from Scott's reply, if you investigate the cost of anything, you'll frequently find unjustifiable profit margins that don't pay for costs to create or get the product/service to you, but exist solely for profit. If someone should avoid Live! because the costs don't reflect the costs to offer the service, they should boycott a great many things. Flash memory has tiny margins, so that's buyable, but getting a watch battery is an insane ripoff with 500%+ markups from the stores, and 20,000% markups on what it costs to actually make the battery.

At the end of the day, everyone has to consider if a product or service is right for them at the price being asked, and chose to pay or not. That's how this economy works and there's no other reasoning behind it. Trying to determine the worth of something from a BOM or similar bares no relation to the real world. If the world were rational like that, designer clothes and premium brands wouldn't exist.
 
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