x800 texture shimmering: FarCry video

[Grestorn]

Sorry, jvd, but you're just sad.

You deny seeing any image problems even though many many people (other than myself) confirmed that they are there (not from the videos but from the game directly).

I never bashed ATI, I just wanted them to acknowledge that optimizations have to be optional, because it's in the nature of rendering shortcuts that they will be visible in certain spots.

There is no reason for you to fight that. It's for your own good. You, as any other user, should be able to decide what's more important you. If you prefer the speed over a questionable IQ loss, that's your choice (and I would make the same decision in this case, most likely).

But why the hell do you fight to deny that there IS a IQ loss? That really just looks like you can't stomach that your favourite company might have been wrong when they said "there will be no visible IQ loss!"?

As for the rate and angle of the movement while taking the videos... well if you really look at the videos, you should really see that neither of those matter in any way. It's really pretty obvious.

 

[Grestorn]

P.S.: If the speed and angle of movement would be radically different, I might agree. But they are as close as I can reproduce them by hand.

And it just doesn't matter, since the shimmering is there no matter what speed or angle you move.

If you haven't seen it, you're either

• at the wrong spot
• haven't switched on your flashlight
• have a different driver / registry setting (now that those new registry settings are known, that's not really out of the question anymore)
• deliberately denying seeing anything because it would invalidate your point
• blind

 

[tEd]

i made some new mp2 vids showing the difference

default
http://www.gaeugf.ch/ted/Mp2_with_opti.avi

AF optimizations disabled with reg tweak
http://www.gaeugf.ch/ted/Mp2_witho_opti.avi

you need xvid for the vids

 

[jvd]

Can you point out where in this thread the why of the difference is explained? because i don't see it.

http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=302473#302473

Sorry, jvd, but you're just sad.

You deny seeing any image problems even though many many people (other than myself) confirmed that they are there (not from the videos but from the game directly).

YOu are said since myself and others (including review sites ) say they see nothing .


So whi¬À ne of us is sad ?

There is no reason for you to fight that. It's for your own good. You, as any other user, should be able to decide what's more important you. If you prefer the speed over a questionable IQ loss, that's your choice (and I would make the same decision in this case, most likely).

But why the hell do you fight to deny that there IS a IQ loss? That really just looks like you can't stomach that your favourite company might have been wrong when they said "there will be no visible IQ loss!"?

I'm only saying i do not see it and the angle changes and aproach could be whats changing it .

If you really cared about the image quality you would have reported this to ati. Not post it all over the place to bash ati .

 

[jvd]

i made some new mp2 vids showing the difference

default
http://www.gaeugf.ch/ted/Mp2_with_opti.avi

AF optimizations disabled with reg tweak
http://www.gaeugf.ch/ted/Mp2_witho_opti.avi

you need xvid for the vids

your right it is more blurry. can u take one with the lod not changed and see how it effects it

 

[Evildeus]

Can you point out where in this thread the why of the difference is explained? because i don't see it.

http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=302473#302473

That doesn't explain why it appears on X800 and not 9700!

 

[jvd]

Can you point out where in this thread the why of the difference is explained? because i don't see it.

http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=302473#302473

That doesn't explain why it appears on X800 and not 9700!

it apears on both . Or do u not see all the shimmering on the 9700 pro ?

 

[dizietsma]

i made some new mp2 vids showing the difference

default
http://www.gaeugf.ch/ted/Mp2_with_opti.avi

AF optimizations disabled with reg tweak
http://www.gaeugf.ch/ted/Mp2_witho_opti.avi

you need xvid for the vids

Thanks for doing those, I see what you mean.

Have you sent to Ati for comment ?

Regards

Andy

 

[tEd]

i made some new mp2 vids showing the difference

default
http://www.gaeugf.ch/ted/Mp2_with_opti.avi

AF optimizations disabled with reg tweak
http://www.gaeugf.ch/ted/Mp2_witho_opti.avi

you need xvid for the vids

your right it is more blurry. can u take one with the lod not changed and see how it effects it

i didn't change the LOD.

both done with AF set in game.

 

[jvd]

i made some new mp2 vids showing the difference

default
http://www.gaeugf.ch/ted/Mp2_with_opti.avi

AF optimizations disabled with reg tweak
http://www.gaeugf.ch/ted/Mp2_witho_opti.avi

you need xvid for the vids

your right it is more blurry. can u take one with the lod not changed and see how it effects it

i didn't change the LOD.

cool , did u send this to ati ?

i found a problem in coh when using certian spells but don't know if its the new card or not as i didn't get the spell till today

 

[Pete]

Well, just about every review I read gave a slight edge to ATi for IQ.

Both Lars' and Brandon's initial X800 reviews gave NV40 the (slight) nod in texture filtering, IIRC, though I imagine they didn't have too much time to compare. But it does seem that we're exposing more corner cases than regular issues. If ATi would just allow for a switch to disable try, all this mess would just go away.

 

[Grestorn]

YOu are said since myself and others (including review sites ) say they see nothing .


So whi¬À ne of us is sad ?

Did you even read what I've written? Obviously not.

None of the review sites examined the spot I described. So this argument of yours is just void. As I've written at least a thousand times... there are very very few spots where you can see an IQ drop. So it's no surprise that there are reviews where it hasn't been detected.

What I still don't understand, and you fail to enlighten me, is why you continue to defend a piece of hardware, that doesn't really need any defence. This card is great, and anybody who got one can only be congratulated. It will sell extremely well, with or without your defence.

Still, as every man-made device, it's not 100% perfect. And it's no offence to anyone to point out a flaw it has. And the filtering deficiencies are a flaw, no matter if you believe me and my videos or not. No reason to go balistic on that.

 

[Grestorn]

it apears on both . Or do u not see all the shimmering on the 9700 pro ?

There is shimmering on the 9700, but much much less.

So there IS a difference. And it's not due to my moving, as much as you like to believe it.

 

[jvd]

it apears on both . Or do u not see all the shimmering on the 9700 pro ?

There is shimmering on the 9700, but much much less.

So there IS a difference. And it's not due to my moving, as much as you like to believe it.

so while you refuse to post videos with the same movement i'm supposed to believe u ?

 

[Grestorn]

so while you refuse to post videos with the same movement i'm supposed to believe u ?

I don't refuse anything. There is just no way of reproducing a 100% exact identical movement. Even with a demo recording, the speed would still be different (since the two gfx boards are different).

And it's a mood point anyway. You decided not to believe me, and try to invalidate my point for no reason but your own ego.

That's ok, it's not like I need your or anyone else's aprovement for my ego.

End of discussion.

 

[Evildeus]

it apears on both . Or do u not see all the shimmering on the 9700 pro ?

Yeah and not in the same magnitude (one is almost non present the other one, well ...) , so there's something else don't you think?

And Ted just provides another example, are you saying it's still a non issue?

 

[jvd]

it apears on both . Or do u not see all the shimmering on the 9700 pro ?

Yeah and not in the same magnitude (one is almost non present the other one, well ...) , so there's something else don't you think?

And Ted just provides another example, are you saying it's still a non issue?

I'm saying in farcry its not true .

In mp2 it may be. Don't own the game . I want to know if he has reported it .

I have seen one issue where it might a problem in coh but don't know because i didn't have that power before i changed cards.

Uploading wow videos that should show the same amount of shimmering unfortunatly i can't get movement exactly the same. But the diffrence is the same. after thsoe i'm going to upload another wow video showing image with 16x fsaa

 

[Evildeus]

Well, in resume, i can say that i disagree with you (what a surprise ). You didn't provide me the same vid to prove your claims (/me takes JVD stance ).

BTW, i don't say that the X800 degrades the IQ everywhere, and i don't think anybody says that, just in some places. And that doesn't hide the fact that Nv has done worse with the NV3*.

 

[jvd]

Well, in resume, i can say that i disagree with you (what a surprise ). You didn't provide me the same vid to prove your claims (/me takes JVD stance ).

BTW, i don't say that the X800 degrades the IQ everywhere, and i don't think anybody says that, just in some places. And that doesn't hide the fact that Nv has done worse with the NV3*.

If u don't want to believe me that is cool. Wont arguee with ya I'm mainly posting them for my guild , we are choosing between wow and eq2 and they want to see what eq2 looks like with the x800pro .

www.ooakalabeth.com/video they are both 40 megs each so it will take some time to upload . i only have a 128kbs up .

The shimmering is equaly bad in both. After this (tonight or tommorow) i will upload with 16x aniso and all the shimmering goes away .

I would post showing temporal aa (dunno if it will work ) but on that game i can't go past 30fps

 

[Evildeus]

I can't see the vid, and are the bittorent working?