x360 motherboard pic

[PC-Engine]

When they say watercooled, surely they don't mean water. Water's thermal properties are (for lack of a better term) garbage. You don't need antifreeze or anything, but certainly a solution that doesn't vaporize at 100C. :? PEACE.

Most people already know it's not water but some form of fluid or water solution, but that's beside the point.

 

[randycat99]

When they say watercooled, surely they don't mean water. Water's thermal properties are (for lack of a better term) garbage. You don't need antifreeze or anything, but certainly a solution that doesn't vaporize at 100C. :? PEACE.

I have to respectfully disagree with you there. Considering all thermal properties as a whole, water is actually quite a good medium. Thermal capacity and conductivity are good. The vaporization point is also quite exploitable for its benefits (phase change is an extremely potent heat transfer mechanism). It's nontoxic and nondamaging to the environment. Perhaps you can find other materials that may be better in some areas, but there will certainly be a drawback in another- oil being corrosion inhibiting and having a far higher boil-off point, but you give quite a bit up in thermal conductivity and heat capacity...liquid mercury which would totally rock for thermal conductivity and heat capacity, but quite toxic for human exposure and the environment. Water is good, it's nature's gift!

 

[hey69]

sh's holding a x360 motherboard

it happens to have a case around it so you wont see a lot of it heheh

 

[Ty]

Man, she's kind of scary looking.

Oh, nice pic of the mobo btw. Pretty darn large, no wonder the brick had to be placed exterior.

 

[Shifty Geezer]

XB360's definitely bigger looking than I was expecting since MS's claims it'd be smaller.

 

[Tap In]

XB360's definitely bigger looking than I was expecting since MS's claims it'd be smaller.

form the 7/22/05 article in another thread

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/636/636018p1.html

I have an Xbox right in front of me to compare but if you don't, this will look smallish IMO.

Looks big in her hands though.

 

[Shifty Geezer]

Smaller, though I was expecting nearer 'small' as they said that was part of the reason it flunked in Japan IIRC. Not a bad size really - CE size. Just not 'petite'. Though the reduced depth is perhaps the biggest change. XB was a box, whereas XB360 is more 'slimline box'.

 

[Guden Oden]

BTX was designed for cooling Intel's planned 150w+ CPUs (Tejas), not cuz ATX is soo crappy.

That's an urban myth. ATX has many issues today that hampers it, placement of the CPU socket is just one of them. Others include layout, power distribution, system cooling etc.

Think of today's 50+W graphics cards, with ATX, the heatsink is turned downwards, facing adjacent slots. Not so with BTX.

This negativity towards BTX one finds amongst some - particulary AMD fanboys - is really quite irrational. BTX > ATX, that's the simple truth. Bitching and whining isn't going to help, rather, why not embrace the future instead? Face it, ATX is going to go the way of the dodo within a couple years, so get used to the idea now pal.

Take a look inside a Dell sometime or even a Antec Lanboy, the cooling in either of them is quite good and quiet.

*Cough* I own two Dells myself, an ATX chassis and a BTX chassis... Guess which one is superior?

 

[swaaye]

So, are you an Intel fan-boy then?

I've read several times that AMD has problems with BTX because the layout of the board makes it more difficult to run the memory bus from the CPU to the RAM. That seems like a serious issue with BTX to me....

BTX isn't really working out in SFF either. There was a review of one using BTX and it was just running way too hot. So, I guess that means BTX potentially is not very viable for extremely small case sizes....

Upside down cards are not such a bad thing either. It helps keep dust out of heatsinks, for example.

I don't see very many problems with ATX really. It's been a great, long-lasting standard that has shown incredible flexibility with future tech (it started with the Pentium MMX!) and size constraints.

 

[BlueTsunami]

sh's holding a x360 motherboard

it happens to have a case around it so you wont see a lot of it heheh

Holy crap shes fricken ugly....

 

[ShootMyMonkey]

Most people already know it's not water but some form of fluid or water solution, but that's beside the point.

I'm fairly sure that Microsoft's own statement never said "water cooling" and instead said "liquid cooling" -- That could just as easily mean nothing more than heatpipes with something that melts at a pretty low temperature.

While it sounds way too expensive, there was some noise weeks back about the Sapphire X850s using so-called "liquid metal" cooling. Although, IIRC, it's not exactly "liquid" metal per se so much as it is a process that maintains an amorphus structure when creating an alloy. Considering they spoke of a single-slot prototype w/ 2 fans that managed to cool an X850 down to 12 C, that's fairly effective.

 

[Ty]

This negativity towards BTX one finds amongst some - particulary AMD fanboys - is really quite irrational.

Actually it's quite rational but for political reasons. Because AMD's CPUs tend to put out less heat, ATX works fine for cooling them. Yes, BTX would certainly help but the problem is that it helps Intel who "needs" it more.

Personally I'd like BTX to take over as well. Oh well.