I'm not saying it's 100% harmless. That'd be stupid. It's just whenever I hear about smoking while being pregnant I always here the same thing. That it will harm the child no matter what. 100% chance of fucking up your kid. I'm just saying that's not a 100% chance and that smoking while being pregnant or smoking when you have a kid isn't child abuse.
Woman charged with killing fetus
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zidane1strife
Banned
Well, I'd say there are some differences... and I'd say the benefit of having individuals develop with ideal environments and genes, would be well worth it both for the individual, who would then have the rights to a decent developmental environment and genes, and for society which would now have its new members introduced properly.
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Joe DeFuria
Legend
Update:
She's also being charged with endangering the life of the surviving child.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2004-03-15-mother-pleads_x.htm
She's also being charged with endangering the life of the surviving child.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2004-03-15-mother-pleads_x.htm
At the very least her children should be taken from her.
zidane1strife
Banned
Come on, heathens? This just reality, some will say " I want my child to be dumber, slower, weaker, have a shorter life-span, etc... after all God made him that way!!!", others will say "well, this reproduction is given by nature, I don't care if some have to suffer and die because of it, it's my right of imposition upon new minds", now we can't have that, now can we? No we cannot, just as we can't have parents denying their child education, medical assistance, adequate nutrition, etc. due to some G0d forsaken belief, or the like. As for the reasons and benefits of change...
First of, it can stop accidental pregnancies, and it'll likely be for the better both for the new born, and for the parents. Allowing them to be financially, and emotionally ready for the child. The child will in turn receive an environment with proper financial and emotional support.
Second, we can stop people with histories of child abuse, negligence, and the like from easily gaining another victim, requiring them to get a social evaluation.
Third, we can control the overpopulation problem, as mortality drops down to virtually zero, lifespan increases dramatically, and automatization eases the hurdles of raising a child, this coud become a significant concern.
Fourth, the crime rate, we can virtually eliminate crime(murder, theft, child abuse, rape, etc.), with excellent genes, and an excellent environment, I mean we've pretty much wiped the slate clean.
Fifth, the rights that are ignored, we can guarantee the rights to life, to freedom, to happiness, to those who do not presently have them warranted. That is the real world, akin to a poker game, where you might get an excellent hand "good parents, environment and genes", some what less, or a really fkced up hand "let your imagination run wild". A child is defenseless against his parents, and depending on the parents, he might very well become a victim... all his rights thus are in a state of jeopardy, we can end this, and guarantee his rights, to proper education, to mental health, to life, to freedom, and to happiness.
And we could go on and on, as that's just the peak of the iceberg. The repercussions go all over the social sphere, and if done properly at a global level... it would put an end to a lot of problems, and it would bring forth many new good nougat like things...
zidane1strife said:
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!! My god, that is funny. You should be nominated for B3D comedian of the year. Crime isn't dependant on genes. They might influence somebody, but they do not determine if they are a criminal or not. People dont commit crimes just because they're more agressive or they had a really fucked up childhood, they also do it because they want to. The person who goes and robs a Video Rental place isn't always a mentally messed up guy, he probably just wants the cash the registers have.
If I just had good teeth, I wouldn't be motivated to mug people.
zidane1strife
Banned
Oh, come on!!! I mean I didn't say just genes... Now, if you're going to say that someone with good parenting, a good environment(aka good health status, good financial status, excellent education, excellent nutrition, good mental health, etc.) in addition to good genes, can go about and kill or steal... Well, it could happen... but I'm sure you'd agree it's very naive, to say the least, to think that providing excellent developmental conditions will not extremely diminish the crime rate.
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zidane1strife said:
This is where we disagree yet again. People steal, kill, rape, ect because they want to. A man might kill his brother because he found out about the affair his brother was having with his wife. A man might rape just because he felt like it. While provding a good envirenment to live in will reduce the chances, much like you said, it won't reduce it as much as you would like.
The only way to change that is to take away what makes us nothing more than a weird looking animal.
IST said:
Of course, if you strip us of our ability to reason outside of instinct we'd be just like the rest of the animal kingdom.
Won't reduce it as much as you would like? I highly doubt this as the reason to committ violent acts is hardly based solely on biological compulsions.
zidane1strife
Banned
The chances of having an affair, even considering one, are diminished if all parties involved have had proper developmental conditions(gm and mod. environment)... furthermore, the chances of having problems in the relationship that might have given rise to the temptation of an affair are also diminished...
same goes for murder, not only are strong morals a part of the individual's code of conduct, and not only are there good genes present, but we see that the conflicts that might arise and tempt someone to commit murder are also diminished.
Those are just some of the ramifications, of doing what I've suggested. Then we go into killing/stealing/raping/etc just for the sake of killing/stealing/raping/etc, which if you're sane, and know what you're doing, and have morals, is going to be significantly harder for you to do...
zidane1strife said:
...Damn. People have affairs because they don't love their husband/partner/whaever and because they want to fuck. That simple. Well, there are other reasons, but those seem to be the biggest two.
zidane1strife said:
There are too many reasons for murder for that to work. There are terrorist, there are serial killers, there are people who kill becasue they are despreit for whatever reason. Just too many damn reasons for killing.
zidane1strife said:
Not all mental disorders are due to bad genes/messed up environment. Take my serial killer example. Some people are just born "soulless", so to speak. Sociopathic. AFAIK, we haven't found a physical reason for that. Some people are just born evil. Most aren't, but some are. It's not always due to physical defects. Some people just are that way.
Your whole arguement is that with the right environment and genes only good can come of it. Not everybody will react "properly". Even you adknowledge this. In time, those who don't react the "proper" way will multiply. They'll congregate around each other. Seek each other out. They do now. That won't change. The clubs of pedos that are busted by the feds everyonce in a while won't change. Like I said before, the only way to pull this off completely is to take away free will.
IST said:
Not sure I agree with that. I think you're understating childhood environmental influences. Just watched a documentary on Saddam Hussein last night and he had a miserable, abusive childhood. On the flip side, Jeffery Dammer supposedly lived in a loving, nurturing household during his youth.
UPDATE:
the baby that did survive, had cocaine and alcohol in their system.
lets keep defending this mother, who is a sorry excuse for a human.
later,
epic
the baby that did survive, had cocaine and alcohol in their system.
lets keep defending this mother, who is a sorry excuse for a human.later,
epic
Tagrineth said:
Dam, "new post link" didnt take me to Joe's post. Sorry I missed it. Thanks for the catch tag.later,
epic