Windows tablets
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Silent_Buddha
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Load up Steam and instant DD gaming library? Better yet, if you already have Steam games, they are then instantly (well minus the time to download/install) available on your Win8 x86 slate.
It may not match the size of Apple's app store, but it's still got well over 1000 game titles in there many of which can be played just fine with touch only controls.
Perhaps you want to use a full application suite (Office or Abobe Creative Suite or CAD/CAM or Open Office or...).
For pure media consumption and media consumption only, the iPad probably has an advantage. Unless of course you are into Japanese Anime which hasn't come to the US yet, and all you can find are fansubbed MKVs.
Then again for the pure media consumption market, that's what MS has WinRT for. Although I'm still not sure WinRT is going to do much.Regards,
SB
Lets not forget about GOG.com
people work their butts off getting these games to run on tablets
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85XV8FP70JI
but i was able to play many of them on my iconia w500 when i owned it. The pen input on the surface will make them even more playable.
people work their butts off getting these games to run on tablets
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85XV8FP70JI
but i was able to play many of them on my iconia w500 when i owned it. The pen input on the surface will make them even more playable.
So a bunch of tablets got prices and specs
Acer iconia w510 - Clover Trail Atom with 10.1 inch 1,366x768 $500 for the tablet with 32gig ssd , $600 with 64 gig ssd and $750 with dock and 64 gig ssd. The doc doubles the battery life to 18 hours . It weighs just 1.27lbs and 2.63 lbs with dock 2 gigs of ram
http://www.theverge.com/2012/10/9/3475334/acer-iconia-w510-preview-windows-8 hands on
Lenovo Idea Tab lync tablet starts at $600 the dock doubles the battery life to 16 hours but adds $150 . Its 11.6 inch 1366x768 ips display 2gigs of ram , 32gig or 64 gig ssd and a cloverview intel atom dual core @ 1.8ghz . The tablet weighs 1.4lbs and so does the dock. So 2.8lbs combined. This one charges over usb which is nice.
Lenova Thinkpad tablet 2 starts at $650 is 1.3lbs with a 10.1inch display at 1366x768 10 hour battery has a 3g/lte at&t option and has an active digitizer
http://www.theverge.com/2012/10/9/3480930/lenovo-ideatab-lynx-windows-8-tablet-hands-on
Lenovo's yoga will be 13 inch 1,099 for the win pro and $800 for the 11 inch RT
http://www.theverge.com/2012/10/9/3476938/lenovo-ideapad-yoga-11-yoga-13-price-release-date
Thinkpad Twist starts at $849 12.4 inch 1366x768 IP its .79inches thick and 3.48 lbs. Its an older convertable type tablet / laptop where the screen just swivels around and folds down. It has an i7 with 8 gigs of ram and a 128GB ssd . Its actually pretty nice but at the $850 you get an i5 and mechanical hardrive
Acer iconia w510 - Clover Trail Atom with 10.1 inch 1,366x768 $500 for the tablet with 32gig ssd , $600 with 64 gig ssd and $750 with dock and 64 gig ssd. The doc doubles the battery life to 18 hours . It weighs just 1.27lbs and 2.63 lbs with dock 2 gigs of ram
http://www.theverge.com/2012/10/9/3475334/acer-iconia-w510-preview-windows-8 hands on
Lenovo Idea Tab lync tablet starts at $600 the dock doubles the battery life to 16 hours but adds $150 . Its 11.6 inch 1366x768 ips display 2gigs of ram , 32gig or 64 gig ssd and a cloverview intel atom dual core @ 1.8ghz . The tablet weighs 1.4lbs and so does the dock. So 2.8lbs combined. This one charges over usb which is nice.
Lenova Thinkpad tablet 2 starts at $650 is 1.3lbs with a 10.1inch display at 1366x768 10 hour battery has a 3g/lte at&t option and has an active digitizer
http://www.theverge.com/2012/10/9/3480930/lenovo-ideatab-lynx-windows-8-tablet-hands-on
Lenovo's yoga will be 13 inch 1,099 for the win pro and $800 for the 11 inch RT
http://www.theverge.com/2012/10/9/3476938/lenovo-ideapad-yoga-11-yoga-13-price-release-date
Thinkpad Twist starts at $849 12.4 inch 1366x768 IP its .79inches thick and 3.48 lbs. Its an older convertable type tablet / laptop where the screen just swivels around and folds down. It has an i7 with 8 gigs of ram and a 128GB ssd . Its actually pretty nice but at the $850 you get an i5 and mechanical hardrive
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All this talk about playing games in Win8 x86 tablets is nice.
Too bad the SGX545 @533MHz in Clovertrail is pretty much useless for any 3D game for Windows with less than what, 10 years? I wonder if Half Life 2 or Doom 3 will be playable at all.
If gaming is a "concern" for lower-end Win8 tablets, let's hope AMD gets a couple of design-wins for Hondo tablets.
Too bad the SGX545 @533MHz in Clovertrail is pretty much useless for any 3D game for Windows with less than what, 10 years? I wonder if Half Life 2 or Doom 3 will be playable at all.
If gaming is a "concern" for lower-end Win8 tablets, let's hope AMD gets a couple of design-wins for Hondo tablets.
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with the clovertrail stuff i doubt many will be trying to play modern games . Also the $800 and up of the i5/7 tablets aren't expensive for what your getting.
Yea this really caught my eye....probably the best w8 design I have seen by a long way...if only they managed to integrated the pen into the tablet...take on Bluetooth 4, 4g baseband...and stick in either kaveri or haswell gt3...and we have perfection.
http://www.engadget.com/2012/10/10/kupa-ultranote-windows-8-modular-tablet-hands-on-video/
May not be but it seems the laptops that the chain stores advertise are more in the $600 range or even less.
So would buyers pay a chunk more for these tablets? They're certainly cheaper than the old Tablet PC designs. But while they've reduced a lot of size and weight, a lot of W8 tablets seem more geared for use on a table or a desk. Lenovo is calling their designs "tabletops" and of course, the Surface models have built-in kickstand, which obviously is for a table/desk.
These seem to trend towards greater size and weight than iPad so while some may prefer these ultrabooks with detachable touch screen units, the weight may not be as attractive for those who've been thinking iPad or Android tablets.
So would buyers pay a chunk more for these tablets? They're certainly cheaper than the old Tablet PC designs. But while they've reduced a lot of size and weight, a lot of W8 tablets seem more geared for use on a table or a desk. Lenovo is calling their designs "tabletops" and of course, the Surface models have built-in kickstand, which obviously is for a table/desk.
These seem to trend towards greater size and weight than iPad so while some may prefer these ultrabooks with detachable touch screen units, the weight may not be as attractive for those who've been thinking iPad or Android tablets.
I think the ipad proves that consumers will pay a chunk more for tablets. The ipad starts at $500 and can go up to what $700 before LTE .
With the ipad you'd still need a laptop to do certian tasks. With a clovertrail tablet you wouldn't need both devices only one.
If you need more power then you step up to a core series cpu. It looks like this
Windows RT tablets = $400 to $600 . Atom level X86 tablets $500 to $700 and Core series x86 tablets $700 to $1,200 .
Consumers will have choices for what they want.
By the way the clovertail tablets seem to be 1.3 to 1.5lbs and the RT tablets weigh the same. The ipad clocks in at 1.44lbs . So it seems very comparable.
With the ipad you'd still need a laptop to do certian tasks. With a clovertrail tablet you wouldn't need both devices only one.
If you need more power then you step up to a core series cpu. It looks like this
Windows RT tablets = $400 to $600 . Atom level X86 tablets $500 to $700 and Core series x86 tablets $700 to $1,200 .
Consumers will have choices for what they want.
By the way the clovertail tablets seem to be 1.3 to 1.5lbs and the RT tablets weigh the same. The ipad clocks in at 1.44lbs . So it seems very comparable.
Silent_Buddha
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Cool, that KUPA is the first Win8 tablet I've seen that I would even consider buying.
Regards,
SB
Regards,
SB
Sandy/Ivy Bridge are in a completely different league than Cortex A9.
We did some benchmarking (10 months ago): iPad 2 (dual core Cortex A9 at 1.0 GHz) vs. Samsung Series 7 Slate Windows tablet (dual core, four thread, 1.6 GHz Sandy Bridge, 2.3 GHz turbo clock). And the results weren't pretty. The Sandy Bridge beats the iPad 2 on average by around 10x. Data structure traversal on average is "only" around 6x-8x faster on the Sandy, but for example vector maths are over 20x faster on Sandy. They are not in the same league.
The new x86 Windows 8 tablets are going to feature Ivy Bridge instead of Sandy Bridge. Ivy Bridge has around 5% higher IPC than Sandy, and the 17W model clocks as high as 2.0 GHz and has huge 3.2 GHz turbo clock. iPad 3 still has the same old 1.0 GHz Cortex A9 that iPad 2 has (but it has more memory bandwidth). Surface (and all other x86 Win8 tablets) will outperform ARM based tablets by a wide margin.
Not even a quad core 1.5 GHz Swift (or A15) in iPad 4 would noticeably reduce the performance difference, since it's going to compete against 10W Haswell. Of course Intel based tablets are slightly heavier and have slightly worse battery life, but the performance is very good. The Samsung Slate even beats my desktop Core 2 Quad Q6600 in benchmarks
Except probably for Atom tablets.
Sandy/Ivy Bridge are in a completely different league than Cortex A9.
We did some benchmarking (10 months ago): iPad 2 (dual core Cortex A9 at 1.0 GHz) vs. Samsung Series 7 Slate Windows tablet (dual core, four thread, 1.6 GHz Sandy Bridge, 2.3 GHz turbo clock). And the results weren't pretty. The Sandy Bridge beats the iPad 2 on average by around 10x. Data structure traversal on average is "only" around 6x-8x faster on the Sandy, but for example vector maths are over 20x faster on Sandy. They are not in the same league.
The new x86 Windows 8 tablets are going to feature Ivy Bridge instead of Sandy Bridge. Ivy Bridge has around 5% higher IPC than Sandy, and the 17W model clocks as high as 2.0 GHz and has huge 3.2 GHz turbo clock. iPad 3 still has the same old 1.0 GHz Cortex A9 that iPad 2 has (but it has more memory bandwidth). Surface (and all other x86 Win8 tablets) will outperform ARM based tablets by a wide margin.
Not even a quad core 1.5 GHz Swift (or A15) in iPad 4 would noticeably reduce the performance difference, since it's going to compete against 10W Haswell. Of course Intel based tablets are slightly heavier and have slightly worse battery life, but the performance is very good. The Samsung Slate even beats my desktop Core 2 Quad Q6600 in benchmarks
They arent really competing in the same market though. If the Surface Pro does become popular, it will be at the expense of other Windows laptops, not iPad
Is there much more info regarding AMD based W8 tablets? I found this today regarding a Fujitsu tablet?
http://www.slashgear.com/fujitsu-gets-touchy-feely-with-windows-8-tablets-19252847/
http://www.fujitsu.com/fts/products/computing/pc/notebooks-tablets/advanced/stylistic-q572/
SSD, 4Gb RAM, dual mode finger/stylus, even has a gigabit ethernet port lol
http://www.slashgear.com/fujitsu-gets-touchy-feely-with-windows-8-tablets-19252847/
http://www.fujitsu.com/fts/products/computing/pc/notebooks-tablets/advanced/stylistic-q572/
SSD, 4Gb RAM, dual mode finger/stylus, even has a gigabit ethernet port lol
The z-60 is just a refresh of the c-50/z-01 which was a dual core 1ghz brazos. The acer w500 used it and so did the msi winpad w110 or something. They both got 4-6 hours depending on what your doing.
The z-60 is basicly 4.5w while the z-01 was 5.9w. you still need the second chip for the sata/usb and other stuff . The clover trail cpus have the gpu and all the other functionality on the same chip and use less than 2w .
Amd had a real chance and all they really had to do was drop brazos to 32nm from 40nm. They most likely could have gotten the c-50 to 1.5 to 1.8 ghz and upped the gpu speeds while lowering the tdp and it would have been an amazing cpu
