WiiGeePeeYou (Hollywood) what IS it ?
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Take every 2nd letter of every post's 5th word and combine them for the answer.
tongue_of_colicab
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2 - 3 times as big as flipper.
No shaders.
same architecture as flipper.
Probably the rumored Mhz.
Hollywood GPU:
Hollywood is a system LSI composed of a GPU and internal main memory (MEM1). Hollywood is clocked at 243 MHz. Its internal memory consists of 3 megabytes of embedded graphics memory and 24 megabytes of high speed main memory. Hollywood includes the following:
• Graphics processing unit (with 3 megabytes of eDRAM)
• Audio DSP• I/O Bridge
• 24 megabytes of internal main memory
• Internal main memory operates at 486 MHz. Maximum bandwidth between Hollywood and internal main memory: 3.9 gigabytes per second
• Possible to locate a program here Reference Information: Hollywood is similar to Nintendo GameCube’s Flipper and Splash components.
External Main Memory (MEM2):
Wii uses 64 megabytes of GDDR3 (MEM2) as external main memory. Like internal main memory, MEM2 can be accessed directly from Broadway and the GPU at high speed and has a peak bandwidth of 4 gigabytes/sec. Programs can also be placed in MEM2. Reference Information: Nintendo GameCube ARAM is used as auxiliary memory for the DSP. The CPU and GPU did not have direct access to it.
from an anyonymous developer
http://www.maxconsole.net/?mode=news&newsid=8802
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But I had a question about memory.
Is the 64mb that, supposedly can be accesed by both the GPU and CPU, similar to the 64mb unified architecture that the Xbox has?
64 MiB DDR SDRAM at 200 MHz. 6.4 GB/s
64 MB of unified memory, which game developers can allocate to the central processing unit and graphics processing unit as needed (This arguably makes the Xbox more flexible for game designers.)
This thread is so long I dont know if this was already posted/linked but just incase it wasnt:
Nikkei Electronics has measured chip areas of microprocessors and graphics LSIs mounted on the main boards of the "PlayStation 3" (PS3) and "Wii." As we removed heat spreaders stuck on the upper surface of respective product packages, we found their dice embedded with the interposers using flip-chip packaging.
With a micrometer caliper, the PS3's "Cell" microprocessor and "RSX" graphics LSI measured 19.0 x 12.0 mm (228 mm2) and 16.2 x 15.9 mm (258 mm2), respectively. The "Emotion Engine" and "Graphics Synthesizer" chips featured with the "PlayStation 2" (PS2) at its first release took 226 mm2 and 279 mm2, respectively. In other words, despite different design rules, core LSI chips in the PS3 and PS2 turned out to take almost the same chip areas.
After watching the Cell and RSX, the Wii's "Broadway" microprocessor chip looked surprisingly small. It measured only 4.2 x 4.5 mm (18.9 mm2). This is smaller than half the size of the "Gekko" microprocessor (43 mm2) incorporated in the "GameCube" at its first release.
Removing the heat spreader, we found the Hollywood was a multi-chip module packaging two chips. Of these two chips, a chip measuring 9 x 8 mm, which locates nearer to the external GDDR3 synchronous DRAM, seemed to be the SoC (development code name: Vegas) that integrates a graphics drawing circuit, a DRAM controller and a diversity of I/O circuits, and the other chip measuring 13.5 x 7 mm appeared to be the high-speed DRAM (development code name: Napa) based on MoSys (Monolithic System Technology), Inc.'s "1T-SRAM" technology. The "Flipper" SoC mounted on the first GameCube occupied 110 mm2.
http://techon.nikkeibp.co.jp/english/NEWS_EN/20061127/124495/
Nikkei Electronics has measured chip areas of microprocessors and graphics LSIs mounted on the main boards of the "PlayStation 3" (PS3) and "Wii." As we removed heat spreaders stuck on the upper surface of respective product packages, we found their dice embedded with the interposers using flip-chip packaging.
With a micrometer caliper, the PS3's "Cell" microprocessor and "RSX" graphics LSI measured 19.0 x 12.0 mm (228 mm2) and 16.2 x 15.9 mm (258 mm2), respectively. The "Emotion Engine" and "Graphics Synthesizer" chips featured with the "PlayStation 2" (PS2) at its first release took 226 mm2 and 279 mm2, respectively. In other words, despite different design rules, core LSI chips in the PS3 and PS2 turned out to take almost the same chip areas.
After watching the Cell and RSX, the Wii's "Broadway" microprocessor chip looked surprisingly small. It measured only 4.2 x 4.5 mm (18.9 mm2). This is smaller than half the size of the "Gekko" microprocessor (43 mm2) incorporated in the "GameCube" at its first release.
Removing the heat spreader, we found the Hollywood was a multi-chip module packaging two chips. Of these two chips, a chip measuring 9 x 8 mm, which locates nearer to the external GDDR3 synchronous DRAM, seemed to be the SoC (development code name: Vegas) that integrates a graphics drawing circuit, a DRAM controller and a diversity of I/O circuits, and the other chip measuring 13.5 x 7 mm appeared to be the high-speed DRAM (development code name: Napa) based on MoSys (Monolithic System Technology), Inc.'s "1T-SRAM" technology. The "Flipper" SoC mounted on the first GameCube occupied 110 mm2.
http://techon.nikkeibp.co.jp/english/NEWS_EN/20061127/124495/
tongue_of_colicab
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And that means?
Does anyone know about the DSP? Is it just another Macronix Sound DSP?
Thier website sells embedded ICs.
The-student
Newcomer
What is the best power window to watch on?
A little rush joke there lol.
What tv style set would you say is the best to use for wii for resolution,dot pich, refresh rates? and all around best picture
also what type lcd,crt,dlp, plasma? whatever? oh and didn't nintendo say you would beable to use the wii on a computer monitor before ?
thank you
A little rush joke there lol.
What tv style set would you say is the best to use for wii for resolution,dot pich, refresh rates? and all around best picture
also what type lcd,crt,dlp, plasma? whatever? oh and didn't nintendo say you would beable to use the wii on a computer monitor before ?
thank you
Metal_Spirit
Regular
So, 113 pages of talk about the wii GPU, lots of speculation and nothing that really proves that the Hoolywwod chip is more powerfull or at all diferent than the Flipper one (excepto for the use of the GDDR3)???
Both chips are indeed bigger/diferent (thus overall more powerfull), like I said before a updated Gekko at 90nm (the 750CL) is ~16mm^ and Broadway is ~19mm^, the same happens with the GPU that is at very least 2x as big as it should be and there is even that DSP inside the GPU that we dont know what it is for.
We just dont know what is new inside the chips (besides that it isnt new shaders) it can even not be (directely) gfx related at all.
It proves that we still don't know.
We don't know if it is the same, nor do we know if it is different and by how much.
yeah, we dont know whats in it, but im impressed what it can do
Can anybody explain what kind of effects we are seeing here?
other stills:
http://www.jeux-france.com/news18154_pokemon-battle-revo-au-combat.html
DeadlyNinja
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Pokemon Battle Revolution seems to use quite a bit of indirect textures. If you go to Youtube, you can find hundreds of video of Pokemon battles recorded there. Rain dance looks very nice. PBR seems to spam indirect textures like crazy, and I'm not talking about heat waves from fire attacks--which looks gorgeous I might add. I remember reading some magazine trouting Red Steel as having some of the most realistic fires ever seen, but I think Pokemon's fire looks more realistic and better. Not to mention the fire in RS turned out to be pretty last gen looking.
Ok, for the sake of speculation, what do the experts here think a 2-3x Flipper can do? By that, I mean what are some of the overhyped (I use this term because before I visited this site, I thought effects like Bloom Lighting or HDR were super powerful effects--only to find out PS2 and GC can handle them) effects that the PS3 and 360 that the Wii probably can do just at a lower resolution? What do you believe the 360/PS3 can do that there's no way in hell the Wii GPU can do (besides HD, which we all know)?
Ok, for the sake of speculation, what do the experts here think a 2-3x Flipper can do? By that, I mean what are some of the overhyped (I use this term because before I visited this site, I thought effects like Bloom Lighting or HDR were super powerful effects--only to find out PS2 and GC can handle them) effects that the PS3 and 360 that the Wii probably can do just at a lower resolution? What do you believe the 360/PS3 can do that there's no way in hell the Wii GPU can do (besides HD, which we all know)?
There is a DSP on the GPU.It is used for what purpose?
nihilistcanada
Newcomer
Scans from TMNT for the Wii.
http://www.nwiizone.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/Teenage-Mutant-Ninja-Turtles-wii-11.jpg
http://www.nwiizone.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/Teenage-Mutant-Ninja-Turtles-wii-13.jpg
http://www.nwiizone.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/Teenage-Mutant-Ninja-Turtles-wii-12.jpg
http://www.nwiizone.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/Teenage-Mutant-Ninja-Turtles-wii-15.jpg
http://www.nwiizone.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/Teenage-Mutant-Ninja-Turtles-wii-14.jpg
http://www.nwiizone.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/Teenage-Mutant-Ninja-Turtles-wii-18.jpg
http://www.nwiizone.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/Teenage-Mutant-Ninja-Turtles-wii-20.jpg
http://www.nwiizone.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/Teenage-Mutant-Ninja-Turtles-wii-11.jpg
http://www.nwiizone.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/Teenage-Mutant-Ninja-Turtles-wii-13.jpg
http://www.nwiizone.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/Teenage-Mutant-Ninja-Turtles-wii-12.jpg
http://www.nwiizone.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/Teenage-Mutant-Ninja-Turtles-wii-15.jpg
http://www.nwiizone.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/Teenage-Mutant-Ninja-Turtles-wii-14.jpg
http://www.nwiizone.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/Teenage-Mutant-Ninja-Turtles-wii-18.jpg
http://www.nwiizone.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/Teenage-Mutant-Ninja-Turtles-wii-20.jpg
tongue_of_colicab
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They ruined my favorite childhood cartoon. The textures dont look really good, almost everything seems to be made out of squares and the turtles just look crap.
Those are PS2 scans:
http://www.jeux-france.com/news18826_les-tortues-ninja-s-exhibent-sur-playstation-2.html
according to Jeux-france. I expect Wii to be able to to much better than that graphically.
tongue_of_colicab
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The wii version will probably be a port of the ps2 version. So the wii might be able to do better, I dont expect to see it.
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