Why is Al-Quada bombing Turkey?

[akira888]

I've come to the conclusion that it's probably a good thing the MGK (Milliyetci Guvenlik Korulu which is the turk "Joint Chiefs of Staff" or the top generals) keeps its serfs on a tight leash politically. God knows what would happen if those people were allowed to vote in whoever they wanted. One way or the other, it would the last vote they ever made.

 

[ByteMe]

sure, it's easy to drop a few nukes and say "we dont have to occupy the country" but do you realize how many nukes you would have to drop in order to really put a hurt on the russians back then? They'd turn into cockroaches (not in a bad way) and as soon as you go to drop a nuke in one place they scatter and you kill maybe a few thousand if you're lucky. I'm telling you- Napolean and Hitler both met their ends because they tried to take on Russia- it can't be done, not until you find a way to kill every living thing on the whole continent.

I want some of that crap you are smoking. Russia almost lost as it was. If the USA did not help Russia with supplies most WWII experts I've ever seen/read say Russia would have collapsed.

 

[epicstruggle]

to have taken down russian back then would only have required nuking the remaing large cities/industrialized centers. That would have put a world of hurt on them. This is all alot of if's.

later,
epic

 

[Heathen]

Liar. Patton would have kicked them in the nads hard.

Well you have your opinion and I have mine, but go and do some checking into the troop numbers available to each side.

http://members.tripod.com/~american_almanac/church.htm

For example: The British had only a few brigades worth of troops in the middle east while Stalin had numerous (read lots of) divisions, both armour and infantry, along the north oast of the Black sea and Caucasus.

Yes the recruitment of the Whermacht would have helped 9especially the ex SS armoured units) but only in the short term. Maybe enough to push the russians back into Poland (the russians were admitedly disorganised and tired, but arguably no more so than the allies), but as a soon as the Russians (who had by then picked up every trick the Germans had used against them and then some) had regained their footing it would likely have been a concerted push on the part of the russians back into western Europe. The ONLY way of forcing Stalin to back down would have been through the use of nukes.

Patton would have touched off a very serious conflict which would have spread very quickly beyond Germany and proven to be very costly. He was a good general but's Gregori Zhukov was probably better.

 

[viscount]

I've come to the conclusion that it's probably a good thing the MGK (Milliyetci Guvenlik Korulu which is the turk "Joint Chiefs of Staff" or the top generals) keeps its serfs on a tight leash politically. God knows what would happen if those people were allowed to vote in whoever they wanted. One way or the other, it would the last vote they ever made.

And I've come to the conclusion that there will always be an Armenian with a massive victimization complex who will come out and endlessly whine about something.

--V

 

[Humus]

I'm thinking something really positive might come out of the terror attacks in Turkey, cause now the turks are rallying on the street protesting the terror attacks. Hopefully the image of AQ attacking just about everyone, muslims not excluded, might help remove any form of support for it from the people.

 

[Sxotty]

Humus
Unfortunately many muslims in other countries despise the turkish, b/c they have the things they want so instead of emulating them, they hate them. Afterall it is easier.


Sage... IMO you wouldn't need to, you just need to have enough to show you were serious and russia would pull back, I mean it is just really simple the factories were not spread all over, other things were not as well... russias main asset was a disregard for the life of its soldiers and nothing more. Killing people that tried to retreat and such is really not a way to show bravery it simply shows that they could care less about the individuals which was true... but that doesn't mean that they did not care about the high ups, and "an Atom bomb between the shoulder blades cramps even the worst dictators style" (bet you can figure out where I got that eh...)

 

[Sage]

Sage... IMO you wouldn't need to, you just need to have enough to show you were serious and russia would pull back, I mean it is just really simple the factories were not spread all over, other things were not as well... russias main asset was a disregard for the life of its soldiers and nothing more. Killing people that tried to retreat and such is really not a way to show bravery it simply shows that they could care less about the individuals which was true... but that doesn't mean that they did not care about the high ups, and "an Atom bomb between the shoulder blades cramps even the worst dictators style" (bet you can figure out where I got that eh...)

I think you're underestimating two things: the ability of the higher ups to avoid being killed even with a nuke, and how fundamentalists react when their idol is killed. Fundamentalists are not allowed to be rational people, and communism is fundementalism idolizing the state.

 

[Bambers]

You have to get the abomb to the target remember. This isn't just hit the big red button and fire off and ICBM across the world. You'd have had to fly a bomber over and drop the thing which would first require gaining air superiority.

 

[akira888]

And I've come to the conclusion that there will always be an Armenian with a massive victimization complex who will come out and endlessly whine about something.

You still haven't answered my question. Which one of my statements was a lie or an exaggeration? Come on oglan, you know you want to say "sozde ermeni soykirim." Just say it so we can remove all doubt.

 

[Legion]

And I've come to the conclusion that there will always be an Armenian with a massive victimization complex who will come out and endlessly whine about something.

You still haven't answered my question. Which one of my statements was a lie or an exaggeration? Come on oglan, you know you want to say "sozde ermeni soykirim." Just say it so we can remove all doubt.

its all cool with me Akira just keep this going. This is a laugh riot! I am still shocked to see people whom not but a month ago spat forth all sorts of pro Palisitinian propaganda are arguing in favor of turkish oppression when the parrallels between the situations are undeniable. Even L233 ducked out of the last argument. I guess he realized such and it left him a bad taste in his mouth.

 

[ByteMe]

You have to get the abomb to the target remember. This isn't just hit the big red button and fire off and ICBM across the world. You'd have had to fly a bomber over and drop the thing which would first require gaining air superiority.

And just who the hell do you think had the air power? By a factor of over 10 times? Google it yourself.

 

[Legion]

You have to get the abomb to the target remember. This isn't just hit the big red button and fire off and ICBM across the world. You'd have had to fly a bomber over and drop the thing which would first require gaining air superiority.

And just who the hell do you think had the air power? By a factor of over 10 times? Google it yourself.

After WWII it was the US.


I don't know about you Byte Me but after WWII i would have defaced French landmarks the way they did in Egypt.

"Don't tell my mother I work at nvidia. She thinks I play piano in a whorehouse."

Jesus...

 

[ByteMe]

I don't know about you Byte Me but after WWII i would have defaced French landmarks the way they did in Egypt.

I would of chased all the french ladies around. I hear they like it nasty.

 

[Heathen]

And just who the hell do you think had the air power? By a factor of over 10 times?

so you're saying the US had 200,000+ combat aircarft in Europe at the end of WWII ?

 

[Snyder]

I'm tempted to call you a euro-elitist but that would be hypocritical since during our vacation last year I told my wife the only portion of the trip during which I was concerned for our safety at all was while we were in Vienna, and that concern was due only to the city's Turk population.

OMG! Where did you hang around here? Prater at night?
But I haven't had any problems in this regard yet, and I'm living in a district with high density of inhabitants of foreign nationality (>35% IIRC). Funnily enough the people I have had most trouble with since I'm studying here are the traditional Viennese "Proleten" (hard to translate the meaning of the word...)

 

[Sxotty]

Gaining air superiority over the ruskies at the end of WW2 would actually not have been that big of a deal as far as I remember from the history. B/c A-bombs don't have to be accurate just somewhere in the vicinity of where you want it.

Ok I will stop now, I have no idea why this became interesting to me...

 

[Sage]

Gaining air superiority over the ruskies at the end of WW2 would actually not have been that big of a deal as far as I remember from the history. B/c A-bombs don't have to be accurate just somewhere in the vicinity of where you want it.

Ok I will stop now, I have no idea why this became interesting to me...

back then, accurate within well under 1 mile.

 

[pax]

its all cool with me Akira just keep this going. This is a laugh riot! I am still shocked to see people whom not but a month ago spat forth all sorts of pro Palisitinian propaganda are arguing in favor of turkish oppression when the parrallels between the situations are undeniable. Even L233 ducked out of the last argument. I guess he realized such and it left him a bad taste in his mouth.

Dang almost missed this gem hhe. Do yo honestly mean that the brutal treatment of greeks and other minorities by Turkey is the equal of the treatment of palestinians by Israel?

I havent checked on WW2 stats but I think the russian air force tho more inclined towards ground attack aircraft was substantial. Also Im not sure the allies would have been able to use the b29 to reach moscow assuming a conflict summer of 45. Russia is a very large country...

 

[ByteMe]

Another factor to consider, by the end of WWII the USA was producing more war equipment than all the other allies COMBINED.


Eat me you russia wannabes.