WHy doesn't MS have more exclusives?

[Titanio]

I'm no good at keeping tabs on games and names and platforms, but from TGS off the top of my head what about Lair, Getaway, KZ, Motorstorm, and Project Assassin. Or good old Heavenly Sword?

Just Googled up this list of PS3 titles. Which of these are/aren't exclusives?

6Gun 2 - Developer: BattleBorne Entertainment
Avalon - Developer: Climax Studios
Dark Sector - Developer: Digital Extreme
The Darkness - Developer: Starbreeze Studios
Devil May Cry 4 - Developer: Capcom
EA Sports Fight Night Round 3 - Developer: EA Chicago
Eyedentify - Developer: TBA
Fifth Phantom Saga - Developer: Sonic Team
Final Fantasy PS3 - Developer: Square Enix
Formula One PS3 - Developer: Developer: SCE Studios Liverpool
The Getaway PS3 - Developer: SCE Studios Soho
Heavenly Sword - Developer: Ninja Theory
I-8 - Developer: Insomniac Games
Infraworld - Developer: Quantic Dream
Killing Day - Developer: TBA
Killzone PS3 - Developer: Guerilla Games
Metal Gear Solid 4 - Developer: Kojima Productions
Mobile Suit Gundam - Developer: TBA
MotorStorm - Developer: Evolution Studios
Ni-Oh - Developer: KOEI
Omikron 2 - Developer: Quantic Dream
Possession - Developer: Blitz Games
Project Delta - Developer: Playlogic International
ShadowClan - Developer: Tiger Hill Entertainment
Tekken PS3 - Developer: Namco
Vision GT - Developer: Polyphony Digital
Warhawk PS3 - Developer: Incognito Entertainment
I've blued the one's I think are exclusive (okay some obviously are ) but other's will know better than I.

That's the problem with defining an exclusive, especially so early on. Do you define it to be every game announced for a system that hasn't been announced for another? And if you don't, do you simply count first party titles?

 

[Xenus]

Oh and Square Enix finished off the plan to by Taito.

 

[SubD]

Of Topic: I'm amazed at how the Mobile Suit Gundam games are looking (or is it just one game?). I believe its made by Taito right? What the heck are they doing to make the games look so good...I wasn't expecting the Gundam games to look subpar (due to past experience with them). I'm honestly pleasently surprised..I hope the gameplay is just as good though.

It could be as simple as hiring one good engineer. The vast majority of game engines are the work of one engineer.

 

[scooby_dooby]

Devil May Cry 4 - Developer: Capcom
Eyedentify - Developer: TBA
Formula One PS3 - Developer: Developer: SCE Studios Liverpool
The Getaway PS3 - Developer: SCE Studios Soho
Heavenly Sword - Developer: Ninja Theory
Killzone PS3 - Developer: Guerilla Games
Metal Gear Solid 4 - Developer: Kojima Productions
Mobile Suit Gundam - Developer: TBA
MotorStorm - Developer: Evolution Studios
Tekken PS3 - Developer: Namco
Vision GT - Developer: Polyphony Digital
Warhawk PS3 - Developer: Incognito Entertainment

I think that illustrates my point well, no confirmed FF, no confirmed GTA.

Of those games, Formula One, Getaway, Killzone, Eyedentify are all questionable IMO as to whetehr they will be quality games, and have alot to prove. it just doesn't leave much, exspecially if you prefer Forza over GT, and never liked DMC(like me).

Compared to the X360 games I listed which are all looking to be quality (to clarify, that list was not all x360 exclusives, just the quality exclusives, IMO)

p.s. I have to say that FCK and Saint's Row really don't belong in a list of "quality" exclusives, because they both have alot to prove, just like killzone and getaway etc, but other than those 2 I think everything in my list will be a very good game.

p.p.s IMO sony still has a big advahtage in that you KNOW you can buy it and you'll get GTA and FF, but if confirmation of GTA and FF for X360 come through, then that advantage goes away.

 

[Xenus]

I'm no good at keeping tabs on games and names and platforms, but from TGS off the top of my head what about Lair, Getaway, KZ, Motorstorm, and Project Assassin. Or good old Heavenly Sword?

Just Googled up this list of PS3 titles. Which of these are/aren't exclusives?

6Gun 2 - Developer: BattleBorne Entertainment
Avalon - Developer: Climax Studios
Dark Sector - Developer: Digital Extreme
The Darkness - Developer: Starbreeze Studios
Devil May Cry 4 - Developer: Capcom
EA Sports Fight Night Round 3 - Developer: EA Chicago
Eyedentify - Developer: TBA
Fifth Phantom Saga - Developer: Sonic Team
Final Fantasy PS3 - Developer: Square Enix
Formula One PS3 - Developer: Developer: SCE Studios Liverpool
The Getaway PS3 - Developer: SCE Studios Soho
Heavenly Sword - Developer: Ninja Theory
I-8 - Developer: Insomniac Games
Infraworld - Developer: Quantic Dream
Killing Day - Developer: TBA
Killzone PS3 - Developer: Guerilla Games
Metal Gear Solid 4 - Developer: Kojima Productions
Mobile Suit Gundam - Developer: TBA
MotorStorm - Developer: Evolution Studios
Ni-Oh - Developer: KOEI
Omikron 2 - Developer: Quantic Dream
Possession - Developer: Blitz Games
Project Delta - Developer: Playlogic International
ShadowClan - Developer: Tiger Hill Entertainment
Tekken PS3 - Developer: Namco
Vision GT - Developer: Polyphony Digital
Warhawk PS3 - Developer: Incognito Entertainment
I've blued the one's I think are exclusive (okay some obviously are ) but other's will know better than I.

Scooby you need to look again.

 

[scooby_dooby]

FF is still up in the air isn't it?

I think SE really wants a piece of that juicy NA market and so will support X360 fully, but...that's partly wishful thinking on my part I'm sure.

Anyone see the latest polls after TGS? Apparently X360 is up from 6% interest to 22%, but I can't confirm with a link. Another pol I saw had it at 28% to 44% in japan....but I can't actually read teh japanese to see what the poll was asking!

 

[BlueTsunami]

Compared to the X360 games I listed which are all looking to be quality

Problem is, you can't really compare these launch games for the 360 and launch games for the PS3 (Quality wise) at this point in time. Simply because these 360 launch games are being made to be ready in 2 months from now (when the 360 is launched). All the PS3 games (that are launch titles) are probably targeted for Sping 06' (Still unsure), I would say about 6-7 months from now. Thats a large gap and still a nice amount of developing time. Also, to see the 360 game builds at E3 and compare them to now...its amazing what a few months will get you.

I say a more fair comparision (if you wish to make one on the PS3) would only be able to be done 2 months before the PS3 launch and seeing the quality of those games compared to the 360 at this point in time.

FF is still up in the air isn't it?

The statment by SquareEnix (IMHO) kinda solidifies the future of FF on the PS3. Its not as direct as "Final Fantasy will be on the PS3 no matter what" but it clues you into the future of the game instead of being left totally in the dark.

 

[scooby_dooby]

I agree, it's too early, I'm sure PS3 will pull out many guns....but I don't think it's a fair analysis to say the "MS doesn't have many exclusives" because relative to everyone else, as far as I can tell, they have alot.

 

[Xenus]

No they definately said a FF was coming to the PS3 and it is doubtful that the X360 will get that version. If they make a new FF game for the X360 I have a feeling it will target the American audience thus a less femine main character.

 

[dubyateeeff]

I would say because it isnt sound business (for most) to develop exclusively for a xbox when ps2 has about 300% more units out there.

What xbox (partly) lived on was that ports were better on xbox than on ps2. With this generation if the games look the same on both systems and ps3 gets more exclusives. X2 may do worse. On the other hand, if both systems are equal and x2 is cheaper with a harddrive (faster load times) x2 may turn the tides.

Me, personally, I think both systems are different enough for ports to be different. I mean, 9 threads vs 6, 8 cpus vs 3, totally different gpu architectures, porting wont be easy.

 

[scooby_dooby]

Right, I meant it was up in the air as to whether or not X360 would recieve a "real" FF.

 

[BlueTsunami]

I agree, it's too early, I'm sure PS3 will pull out many guns....but I don't think it's a fair analysis to say the "MS doesn't have many exclusives" because relative to everyone else, as far as I can tell, they have alot.

Oh...most definatley. I honestly think the exclusivity talk is a little to premature...simply because you have companies in the past generation...that were faithful to either PS2 or Xbox still staying in there opposing positions. I think talk of exclusives can really be talked about after each console is released and developers take a look at the playing field.

Also, the definition of exclusive is kinda muddy. On one hand you have things like FF (Offline) that will remain on the Playstation (although I have sneaking suspicions that Nintendo may get some love) but other 3rd party companies that can totally surprise you and make a once thought EXCLUSIVE game...a timed exclusive. One of those games is Resident Evil.

 

[Shifty Geezer]

I think that illustrates my point well, no confirmed FF, no confirmed GTA.

I don't understand your argument. Lack of quality exclusives? How many of those games are quality and measured by what? You seem to base that rating simply on your assumptions. I could just as readily say 'is Halo3 or Kameo really going to be a quality title?' That's the sort of thing you only know when the game's released.

Has 'abundance of quality titles' been a key strength of the PlayStation brand? As I understand it, it's not that PS exclusives are quality, but that PS has so many more exclusives. How does XB360's games list compare?

So far things seem no different to me. PS3 has lots of exclusives coming. Maybe some exclusives will go multiplatform. It happens as the devs try to make money and balance development costs and contracts, and choose between focussing on one system or not. I'm quite surprised how many devs are willing to invest in a single platform on a new generation of hardware simply because the user base isn't there! But short of two non-confirmed exclusives there's no argument. And to say most PS owners are looking forward to these exclusives is I think overrating them. Even at 10 million copies sold, that's less than 15% of console owners. The majority of PS2 owners care nothing for FF or GTA.

 

[scooby_dooby]

That's just my opinion Shifty, quality is subjective.

"'is Halo3 or Kameo really going to be a quality title?'"
You could say that, but you'd be being disengenious. I'm just being real, just like I give MGS4 the benefit of the doubt, so does Halo 3, and just as Killzone has alot to prove, so does FCK.

There are many exclusives for both that are questionable, and there are some for both that are looking to be very good. I just feel X360 has alot of the latter. It's unfair to say PS3 has less, since PS3 doesn't launch for a long time, but the X360 line-up is shaping up very well.

As for GTA and FF not being important, I could not disagree more. GTA is the most popular game in video game history, having it as an exclusive is huge. FF is the most popular RPG in the history of video gaming.

The raw sales numbers speak for itself, FF is the best selling franchise by far for RPG's, and GTA is the best selling franchise PERIOD.

If these aren't the 2 biggest "killer apps" then what is?

 

[BlueTsunami]

I think one of the most important aspects of the PS2 was its varying genres. In all honesty...the PS2 was more RPG and Platformer heavy but there was something for everyone. Also every genre had a good quality game to represent that genre....so PS2 gamers wheren't restricted to a certain type of game with the PS2.

With that said, the 360 seems to be spreading its wings (as apposed to the Xbox). It branching into diferent genres and basically reaching out to different gamer tastes. This will allow larger userbase and more variety (which I feel wasn't prevolent in the Xbox). Looking at the launch titles for the 360, you can see how appearent this is.

 

[Shifty Geezer]

As for GTA and FF not being important, I could not disagree more. GTA is the most popular game in video game history, having it as an exclusive is huge. FF is the most popular RPG in the history of video gaming.

The raw sales numbers speak for itself, FF is the best selling franchise by far for RPG's, and GTA is the best selling franchise PERIOD.

If these aren't the 2 biggest "killer apps" then what is?

I agree they're the biggest titles, but they're not the primary selling games. How many copies of GTA and FF (biggest selling version) were sold? 10 million? 20 million? Even at 20 million copies that'd only be a third of PS2 owners. If one in 3 PS2 owners wants to own FF and GTA, the majority, 66%, don't care one jot whether FF and GTA are available or not. I don't think any one title drives a console platform. They can push sales for a period, such as DQ on PS2 or Nintendogs on DS or Halo on XB, and the appearnace of a title can cause an increase in sales. But after a while that game is consigned to history and people buy the console based on other reasons and other games. Last year I'm sure pretty much no-one was buying PS2 to play FF, but the system was still selling.

I still believe the average Joe has little idea about exclusives and whatnot. They see a game at a friends or somewhere, or their friends own a console, and they get one too without really looking into what's available for it. A lack of FF and GTA exclusivity won't have a great deal of impact IMO as the games will still appear on PS3 anyway. Then punters have a choice of PS3 for FF and GTA and it's exclusives and it's PlayStation brand name, or XB360 for FF and GTA and it's exclusives and it's XBox brand name. Even if 1 in 3 PS2 owners only bought it because of FF and GTA exclusivity, lack of exclusivity isn't going to cost PS3 33% of users who'll get XB360 instead to play the same franchises.

Now if FF and GTA were to become XB360's, then that would take away those fans. But that's unlikely to happen.

Edit : Note I was replying to you saying that the majority of PS2 owners bought PS2 for these exclusive franchises, but i can't find the quote, so maybe i just imagined it. My argument might be a bit misplaced as a result if I'm arguing against something nobody even said!

 

[Phil]

That's just my opinion Shifty, quality is subjective.

It's not relevant what your opinion is, what's relevant is what impact these games have on the success of the next PlayStation.

The Getaway despite it's quality was a big success (not sure how many million sold) and there was A LOT of hype around it. People know this game, at least in Europe.

The F1 series has always sold quite well as well, especially compared to other F1 games. It's been always at the top of the list since the days the studio was named Psygnosis.

Gran Turismo is the biggest racing franchise and most popular one - it doesn't matter if Forza stacks up or not from a quality point-of-view - The GT game dwarf it in terms of sales and name recognition. Killzone had quite good sales as well if I am not mistaken.

 

[.Melchiah.]

I think that illustrates my point well, no confirmed FF, no confirmed GTA.
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p.p.s IMO sony still has a big advahtage in that you KNOW you can buy it and you'll get GTA and FF, but if confirmation of GTA and FF for X360 come through, then that advantage goes away.

Confirmed:

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/618/618430p3.html

Final Fantasy PS3
Publisher: Square Enix
Developer: Square Enix
Genre: RPG
Release Date: TBA

What We Know: Much to the dismay of the 2000-plus people in attendance at Sony's E3 2005 press conference, the next Final Fantasy game won't be a remake based on the FF7 Tech Demo used to show off Square's programming chops, but rather an all-new title designed specifically for the PlayStation 3. [RED]Confirmed to be in development by Square Enix President Yoichi Wada, the first next-gen FF will likely be Final Fantasy XIII.[/COLOR] But until any official details about the story, release date, and mechanics come to light, no other information other the game's eventual existence is currently unknown.

 

[<nu>faust]

Confirmed:

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/618/618430p3.html

the report is based on unconfirmed rumours, sources close to square-enix said that that the developent team who created ps3 demo is working on an traditional ff-style rpg and the team who worked on the xbox 360 demonstration is working on a nextgen mmmorpg so editors assume ffx13 is being developed for ps3 and xbox 360 will have square's next gen mmorpg, it might be that way it may not be but at this point nothing is concrete since square has not announced any info regarding their next-gen plans.(ff12 has not evenn come out yet, imo s-e is quite happy with already installed 90+ million userbase of ps2 and would not take any chances since their games take long time to develop and cost alotof money)

I dont think thers i anybody questioning wheter next installments of big square titles come to ps3 or, what is not clear at this moment is how much of a support square-enix will show for xbox 360 and revolution.

 

[expletive]

It's not relevant what your opinion is, what's relevant is what impact these games have on the success of the next PlayStation.

The Getaway despite it's quality was a big success (not sure how many million sold) and there was A LOT of hype around it. People know this game, at least in Europe.

The F1 series has always sold quite well as well, especially compared to other F1 games. It's been always at the top of the list since the days the studio was named Psygnosis.

Gran Turismo is the biggest racing franchise and most popular one - it doesn't matter if Forza stacks up or not from a quality point-of-view - The GT game dwarf it in terms of sales and name recognition. Killzone had quite good sales as well if I am not mistaken.

I think its important to note that last generation the xbox was building its own library of 'big names'. So while games lke Forza merely 'stacked' up this generation, its how MS parlays that into hype and a huge sales this time around. All games start out as unknown quantities and build over time so we should keep in mind all the 'potential' big names this time around since they may have only had one release on the last gen xbox. I think forza is and example of one of these.

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