Where do you stand with the FX

Where do you stand with the FX

  • Definitely not going to buy

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  • Going to wait for R350

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  • Pickup a cheaper 9700

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  • No need to buy anything! No software requires either.

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"non-standard" as in IEEE.

R300 = 4channels x 24bit
NV30 = 4channels x 32bit

128-bit color = 4 32-bit IEEE floating-point values

I believe I wrote the following here in the forums :

You need genuine 32-bit floating point in order to perform serious per-pixel lighting math in the pixel shader, where you might want to treat per-pixel components as positions in space, 4x4 homogeneous matrices, etc., and transform them according to some physically-based lighting model. Some proprietary 24-bit floating point format would be fine for representing colors and normal vectors, but it would totally rule out using pixel shaders for any kind of positional computations.

The R300, even though it supports input and output of 32bit IEEE SPFP per component textures to the shader, it converts the external format to an internal 24bit format in the pixel shader, and convert it back before output. Given my examples above, problems may occur (when apps that expect "32-bit floating point" to mean "32-bit floating point").

Can anyone tell me if DX9's definition of 32bit floating point pixel spec isn't "a floating point format with an unspecified number of bits that might be more than 16 but could be less than 32"?
 
I'm confused.

"Some proprietary 24-bit floating point format would be fine for representing colors and normal vectors, but it would totally rule out using pixel shaders for any kind of positional computations. "

I thought the precision of processing was 24-bit, but it could be represented to the shaders as 32-bit? I thought the only issue here was a greater error accumulation during processing?
 
Tahir said:
Randell said:
what about the 3DMark2001 APS scores? R300 is twice as fast in those. Codecreatures is for all intents and purposes an nVidia benchmark

Why is it an NVIDIA benchmark? When it was first programmed there was no Geforce FX. Now it may be optimised for the GF4 Ti cards but if the GFFX is faster than the Radeon 9700 Pro it is not likely for the same reason.
Or do you mean NVIDIA's GFFX runs faster in Code Creatures? Is there anything wrong with that? No! And wasnt the Radeon 9700 Pro faster than the GF4 Ti cards in Code Creatures?
They seem to use a lot of fillrate intensive effects in that benchmark, maybe this is where the clockspeed differential does help! Or maybe it is because Codecult secretly programmed the benchmark to turn off efficient, faster code when running a non NV card and turns on the bloated, slow code when using non NV cards?

When any benchmark app is produced in co-operation with a specific IHV is it likely that an optimised code path for that IHV was developed also?

I can acccept it is showing show fillrate advantages. What other reliable fill-rate intensive benchs are there? Rev suggested it was PS advantages. I suggest it is code path as well.
 
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Nice packaging :)
 
Evildeus said:
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Nice packaging :)

Warning: JOKE

Jeez.... is that TINDER* packed around the GFFX?

*Tinder - a material used for firestarting

Question: If you have to explain the punchline, is it still a joke?
 
Apparently gainward will not use the FXFlow and will be quite silencious...

In french sorry

Gainward vient d'annoncer ses GeForce FX 5800 Ultra et 5800, les Gainward FX PowerPack! Model Ultra/1000 Plus “Golden Sample†et Gainward FX PowerPack! Model Ultra/800 Plus “Golden Sample†qui sont aux prix respectifs de 649 et 549€ TTC (ouch!). Afin de justifier ce prix élevé, Gainward indique que la Ultra/1000 sera en fait livrée avec une carte son et une carte firewire. Mais le plus intéressant c'est que Gainward indique que ses deux GeForce FX seront dotées d'un refroidissement offrant un niveau de bruit de 7 dB (inaudible donc, a priori un refroidissement passif), contre 70 dB pour celui utilisé sur les autres GeForce FX ! Voilà donc une nouvelle très intéressante, et nous sommes pressés de voir à quoi ressemble ce refroidissement !
http://www.hardware.fr/news/lire/30-01-2003/#5524
 
As I said in another post, I expect some vendors to provide "alternative" cooling methods. At the same time, I expect such products to be available at a later date, and also more expensive than the "DustBuster" FX models.
 
Can't exactly tell from the Gainward mail I got (poor format for the web mail reader), but it seems their Ultra model will be priced at £650 (inc VAT)!!

I'll update when I can read it properly.

[Edit] Its 650 Euro's.
 
thats £400! You can get a 9700Pro for £250 - at £300 it may sell a bit but not at £400.
 
Not exactly surprising - US companies have always 'thought' that $ 1.00 = £ 1.00.

You really think that somebody should have pointed this out to them by now. :?
 
If nothing else, this takes the prize for the worst product name in history:

Gainward FX PowerPack! Model Ultra/1000 Plus "Golden Sample" TM :oops:
 
Althornin said:
according ot that link, the 650 euro powerpack includes:
FireWire Card
5.1 Sound Card
Games

So, depending on the sound card, the deal isnt quite so bad as it first appears.

nice touch sell them a surround sound card to drown out the cooler :)

hmm I think for £150 difference I could get my own choice of firewire, sound and games :), but your rigt, it isnt indicative of normal pricing.
 
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