What can Sony do about Japan?
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Interesting that you are grasping at straws now and going off on moot tangents.
You didn't have a point and after posting that it reaffirms it. When you figure out a way to explain how that relates to PS3, I'll be glad to discuss it with you.
This published report says otherwise.
Biggest gaming company as in the amount of money they make from gaming related sales profit which includes software AND hardware?
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Uhm, the Wii is more than 2x powerful than the Xbox and GameCube, which were in turn more powerful than PS2.
Just so you know.
As for implementing on PS3 and 360, that's certainly true. But not on a wide scale that is part of the dna of the console itself. PS4, 720, certainly.
I think the exclusive development of DQ9 on DS shows that no game needs powerful hardware. Sales continue as they are for Wii, and there will be high profile defections to it, just as there have been for DS. Just a thought.
That's pretty rich coming from someone who entered the thread with a flippant junk posting rife with obscure experimental logic.Interesting that you are grasping as straws now and going off on moot tangents.
You didn't have a point and after posting that it reaffirms it.
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I didn't neg-rep you.Edit: Apparently you just needed an excuse to go ahead with the negative rep option...well I hope you feel better now.
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Apparently you didn't get the point.
Edit: Apparently you just needed an excuse to go ahead with the negative rep option...well I hope you feel better now.
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PS2 was the most limited console of the last gen you know. That could have something to do with it.
Well yea, it's certainly understandable that devs wouldn't want to continue with the PS2. It was a limited machine in terms of its competitors at the time, and really shows its age today unless you've torn the machine to shreds to get it to jump through hoops (see GOW2 for example).
However, the Wii is a huge step up from the Xbox/GC consoles, which were definitely more powerful than PS2. Add in the dev tools that Nintendo is releasing for Wii to make it much simpler to build games for, and voila. You have a system that can't run games like Oblivion or Gears of War in their full splendor, but can certainly run games that are an enormous graphical step up from last gen games.
Keep in mind, PS2 was the standard last gen. What we saw in last gen games typically did not stress the Xbox or GC at all. And the games that did are only being matched in graphical beauty by these latest PS2 games. You at least double the power of GC/Xbox in Wii (and triple the storage of the GC), and you have the capability to have some truly stunning games.
Saying that Wii games won't look any better than PS2 games is to look at things myopically imo. When devs do lazy translations of PS2 hits to Wii, then yea it'll appear that way. Let's see what devs who truly push the Wii during the next 6-8 months come up with.
Super Mario Galaxy, for example, certainly couldn't be done last gen.
DeadlyNinja
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It's funny that no one brought this up in this entire discussion. Maybe it's just not time for HD gaming yet. Oh HD will catch on, but in the mean time, in order for people to enjoy these new systems, they have to buy a new TV.
Also, have you ever thought about HD being too gimmicky for most people? We had monitors that pumped resolutions at 1600 x 1200 back in 1998, you don't see people running around telling you how awesome it was back then. Now all of a sudden it's hot because your TV can display 720p or 1080p? I've played my games at HD, and I can't see the difference between 480 and 768. Sure, the screen grabs will be smaller or larger depending on your desktop setting, but in game, there's no difference. Well, my map get smaller at a higher resolution. BTW, can someone tell me how my game suddenly became a better game just because it runs at 720p or higher now? I can see the pores on my character, and how does that make it a better game?
Now let's look at Japan. The average Japanese home is much smaller than most average apartments in America. Most people don't have the space to stick in a 32" TV. IMO, HD is pointless unless you have a big enough TV to enjoy it. Of course, they could buy a 20" one and sit two feet away from it like you do with a monitor. But then if they did that, why would they want to buy an HD TV instead of a monitor that runs at a higher resolution anyway?
Could Virtua Fighter 5 be a sign of what's to come or just a case of bad luck? Someone said trends die out fast in HK and Japan. That's is not true. Can you say Pokemon? Or how about the recently released Virtua Fighter 5? Oh, you say that the game's already in the arcades, people can play it without a PS3; or that the game's old by now and people don't want to spend $425 (roughly how much the PS3 costs in US dollars) to play it. First of all, VF is far from dead in Japan. Second of all, let's look at the Sega Saturn. I've pointed this out before in the VF5 thread but I'll point it out again. I have NO CLUE when the original Virtua Fighter came out, but I saw it in the arcades when I was in the 6th grade. By the time the Saturn came out, I was already in the 8th grade. VF on the Saturn helped Sega gain an early lead over the Playstation during the early days of the 32 bit wars. The game was roughly 2 years old by then, and the Saturn costs 25 bucks less than the PS3 does today. It'll probably cost more if you factor in inflation. VF5 is still very hot in the arcades today, but the PS3 port's already fallen off the charts within 2 weeks. Could it be just a case of bad luck, or is it a sign, that's for you to decide. Did HD make VF5 a better game than the previous VF games?
As for the Wii being outdated -- it was outdated the day it was released and what's your point? The Gameboy was outdated the day the GameGear came out. The DS was outdated before it was even released due to the PSP.
Also, have you ever thought about HD being too gimmicky for most people? We had monitors that pumped resolutions at 1600 x 1200 back in 1998, you don't see people running around telling you how awesome it was back then. Now all of a sudden it's hot because your TV can display 720p or 1080p? I've played my games at HD, and I can't see the difference between 480 and 768. Sure, the screen grabs will be smaller or larger depending on your desktop setting, but in game, there's no difference. Well, my map get smaller at a higher resolution. BTW, can someone tell me how my game suddenly became a better game just because it runs at 720p or higher now? I can see the pores on my character, and how does that make it a better game?
Now let's look at Japan. The average Japanese home is much smaller than most average apartments in America. Most people don't have the space to stick in a 32" TV. IMO, HD is pointless unless you have a big enough TV to enjoy it. Of course, they could buy a 20" one and sit two feet away from it like you do with a monitor. But then if they did that, why would they want to buy an HD TV instead of a monitor that runs at a higher resolution anyway?
Could Virtua Fighter 5 be a sign of what's to come or just a case of bad luck? Someone said trends die out fast in HK and Japan. That's is not true. Can you say Pokemon? Or how about the recently released Virtua Fighter 5? Oh, you say that the game's already in the arcades, people can play it without a PS3; or that the game's old by now and people don't want to spend $425 (roughly how much the PS3 costs in US dollars) to play it. First of all, VF is far from dead in Japan. Second of all, let's look at the Sega Saturn. I've pointed this out before in the VF5 thread but I'll point it out again. I have NO CLUE when the original Virtua Fighter came out, but I saw it in the arcades when I was in the 6th grade. By the time the Saturn came out, I was already in the 8th grade. VF on the Saturn helped Sega gain an early lead over the Playstation during the early days of the 32 bit wars. The game was roughly 2 years old by then, and the Saturn costs 25 bucks less than the PS3 does today. It'll probably cost more if you factor in inflation. VF5 is still very hot in the arcades today, but the PS3 port's already fallen off the charts within 2 weeks. Could it be just a case of bad luck, or is it a sign, that's for you to decide. Did HD make VF5 a better game than the previous VF games?
As for the Wii being outdated -- it was outdated the day it was released and what's your point? The Gameboy was outdated the day the GameGear came out. The DS was outdated before it was even released due to the PSP.
100% PS1 backward compatibility helped in that regard. That's why I was quite worried for PS3 when Sony announced that it wouldn't be fully backward compatible.
Perhaps you could clarify the similarities between the PS3 and the GC? Did the GC sell about 3 million units in about 4 months at a price point of approx. $600?
Heh, Sony could price the PS3 the same as the Wii. I am sure that could spur some sales somewhere.
I'd buy a PS3 or 360 (premium for either, not that core BS) at that price range. I'd certainly be able to find one at this point too. I still can't find a damn Wii.
tongue_of_colicab
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I think his point is that there actually isnt a connection between the two as One posted some weird bolded GC sales number.
WTF? Why would I need to make a connection between GC and PS3?
The only reason why GC was even brought up was because someone claimed that PS2 is still selling and futily tried to equate that to PS3 still selling when PS4 comes around. Well GC is still selling when Wii was released and? What does PS3 and PS4 have anything to do with PS2 still selling?
To drive the original point home, if PS3 is still trailing Wii by a large gap in Japan by 2011, it's too late to do anything about it since PS4 will be around the corner. The fact PS3 will still be selling when PS4 arrives is moot since PS3 sales will be declining at that point not picking up.
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PS2 = platform that is dying/replaced by PS3
Wii = current gen platform.
Try again?
PS2 may be dying, but software sales aren't necessarily, for a while yet. Popular titles, precisely because we'll see fewer of them, are likely to do well. Case in point, Musoui Orochi in week 18-25 March, which sold as many copies as all the other titles that week combined and put Koei as the best selling publisher that week even above Nintendo.
Wii is successfully tapping into a different market. It will do well, I'm sure, but PS3 will get its slice.
Bagel seed
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Something tells me they really may not be able to do very much in Japan for the rest of this gen. I still think they'll do nicely, but not amazing sales. Unless they come out with something crazy like Eyetoy virtual Pokemon and holographic projector addon/attachment for PS3 and PSP for $100.
djskribbles
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i think theres no way the PS3 will catch the Wii, unless for some reason, sales start to decline for the Wii in the near future. i think the ps3 sales will continue to stay around 20,000/week until a decent game comes around where the sales will jump a little, like when Gundam Musou came out. then when games like MGS4, FF, GT and White Knight Story come out, well see some bigger spikes, but not enough to catch the Wii.
OR, if they drop the price so its more affordable sometime within 1-2 years, then maybe they can catch up.
OR, if they drop the price so its more affordable sometime within 1-2 years, then maybe they can catch up.
So GeOW and R:FoM can be done on a DS then?
Sure, if you want to take a franchise and map it to a hardware's ability, any franchise can be run on any system. Some actual games do need better hardware though. The GTA franchise can appear on mobiles, but you won't have mobiles rendering GTA4. Look at the zillions of titles possible now that weren't in the 8bit era. True, and that's why I've never said Wii games won't look any better than PS2 titles. My point here was on the principle of where the hardware will limit the games than can be created on Wii (or other systems). The debate's been had before, both regards what games Wii can and can't do, and whether Cell enables any new game types or not. Whether there's much scope for titles Wii can't do for lack of power, I don't know. From a theoretical standpoint though, it is possible (and in some cases likely) that some devs will have ideas of what they want to do, and those ideas just won't be possible on Wii. In exactly the same way some devs will have ideas for games that only work on Wii because of it's controller, and can't be done on other systems (short of an extra peripheral).
I think many of you is miss the point.If the wii is the main platform, the dev will go down to hex if that will have to do to bring games for the wii.They make money from it,and if they want to feed they child,they have to create softwares thet sell as much as possible.The ps3/xb2 can be a good free time hobby,but if the wii will sell as now, the monthly paycheck will come from it.
The hardware limitations of the wii are seems as terible,but if you want to bring great software for it,and you push the money(money=a few Ph.d. geek) into it you can bring the gears of war to the wii. It is just a mater of resources.(of course,anybody can complain many thing,but the point is not with the same texture etc,but to have something that look as good as the gow.good looking game != high texture detail and high poly count)
Remember for the 6510?Or for the 68000?A few hard core geek was able to get out more from that things that was supposed by anybody.
The hardware limitations of the wii are seems as terible,but if you want to bring great software for it,and you push the money(money=a few Ph.d. geek) into it you can bring the gears of war to the wii. It is just a mater of resources.(of course,anybody can complain many thing,but the point is not with the same texture etc,but to have something that look as good as the gow.good looking game != high texture detail and high poly count)
Remember for the 6510?Or for the 68000?A few hard core geek was able to get out more from that things that was supposed by anybody.
