What can Sony do about Japan?

Not really. It's interesting that you didn't choose Xbox 1.

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DSL 130,549
Wii 75,571
PSP 41,546
PS3 20,459
PS2 16,961
Xbox360 3,492
GBM 765
GBASP 607
GC 270
DS 135
GBA 22


If the PS3 does not have the same type of market share the PS2/PS1 had it won't be selling long after the next gen starts. Everyone but the market leader wants to start a new generation to try and do better. If things don't improve for sony in NA/Japan you bet they will be right there with MS in 2011 or 2012 launching the PS4.
 
I wonder why people always think like this? Wii will never be the main platform for any third party developer, excluding the mini-game making companies. Most of their games cannot be made for the Wii due to its lack of power. It's a technological limitation, not economic. So even if the Wii sells 20 million, most of the traditional games will still be made for the PS3 and possibly the 360.


If the Wii is still outselling the PS3 3:1 you can bet your last dollar the Wii will become the main platform of choice. Hell the bean counters would love it and dream of it. Keeping costs the same as last gen for another 5 years is like a dream come true for any bean counter. I am sure some of the high end talent might not be happy so I am sure the solution will be to let them make a few multiplatform PS3/360 games that will sell well to a western audience time to time. Only a foolish publisher right now would be making a big budget PS3 game that will only sell in the east. It is just asking to lose a ton of money.
 
If the PS3 does not have the same type of market share the PS2/PS1 had it won't be selling long after the next gen starts. Everyone but the market leader wants to start a new generation to try and do better. If things don't improve for sony in NA/Japan you bet they will be right there with MS in 2011 or 2012 launching the PS4.
Please go back to my first post in this thread and get the context before making a pointless comment.
http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=959607&postcount=15
Consoles without Blu-ray and HDD are quicker to be obsolete than PS3.
 
Please go back to my first post in this thread and get the context before making a pointless comment.
http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=959607&postcount=15
Consoles without Blu-ray and HDD are quicker to be obsolete than PS3.

System power means squat when it comes to longevity it is all marketshare and game library. The first xbox had a hard drive and live but that did not mean squat for lasting power. You think people would be buying the PS2 today if it had the meager CG library? Only a console with a run away market share gets the kind of library the PS1/PS2 had. With out that outstanding library the PS2 would be as dead as the other last gen consoles. With the way the PS3 is performing so far sony will not get that incredible library with exclusives up the wazzoo. If that is the case the PS3 will not be selling nearly as well near the end so sony will be looking to the PS4 to win back market share.

On your original post there already was a price drop on the PS3 in japan.

By the time regular people care about HD-movie either there will be a new format like holo discs or stand alone players will be sub 100 dollars. Sure HD-TV adoption might help sony some but not enough to carry the day.

The PS2 had a horrible library its first year but that did not stop it from killing everyone. Non gaming apps are over rated most people by a console to play games on.
 
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System power means squat when it comes to longevity it is all marketshare and game library. The first xbox had a hard drive and live but that did not mean squat for lasting power.
That's called product differentiation. There was another console that supports DVD out of the box in the market. Now there are no other consoles that supports Blu-ray out of the box (at least currently) than PS3 or cheaper than PS3.
On your original post there already was a price drop on the PS3 in japan.
So? It's still 2x of Wii.
 
That's called product differentiation. There was another console that supports DVD out of the box in the market. Now there are no other consoles that supports Blu-ray out of the box (at least currently) than PS3 or cheaper than PS3.
So? It's still 2x of Wii.


There is no other hand held that supports UMD movies that did not seem to help the PSP. Blue ray play back is more meaningfull now than it will be in the future since the PS3 is the cheapest blue ray player. When and if blue ray matters to people stand alone players will be cheap.

Its kind of funny but it is nintendo who has managed to differentiate thier products from the rest.

The PS3 will be 2x the cost of the Wii for pretty much its entire life.
 
Guys, should be nice to not start again the PSP/DS debate for PS3/WII. Market will decide not geeks on a forum :p
 
:LOL: The Wii is already 'obsolete' in technology. However, that doesn't matter when it comes to enjoyment.

It matters when it comes to price, i am one of those who would never waist more than 150 bucks on that console, and not only because of the tech inside, but also, the range of software titles avaiable dont fit my tastes, and im still amazed how well it sold at $250.
 
I am really curious to see what will be the WII sales next christmas as I guess they should be able to not be supply limited by that time.
A strange thing for the wii is it is close to the impulse buy range but you can't usually buy it that way as it is still hard to find.
 
People who say "The technological difference between PS3/360 and Wii will prove so bad that in a couple of years the Wii will be dead" are probably the same bunch who made the exact same bold comments with regard to the DS and the PSP ("Once Sony unlocks 333MHz, the technological gap will be too much for the gimmicky waffle-maker"). As of now, the technological gap is already wide enough to affirm that it doesn't count.

Regarding Japanese devs, they are looking at the same figures as we are, and they have two alternatives to remain profitable : first one is to make the kind of games aimed at what the Japanese market wants now (quirky games, pachinko, "non-games", plus of course the various surefire hits of anime ports). In most/all of those genres, the added power of the PS3 doesn't mean much apart from added dev costs. Wii and/or DS are the platforms of choice. There are a couple of exceptions (Monster Hunter comes to mind), but not enough to sustain a company.

Second alternative is to open to the West, and make Japanese games that appeal to the Western tastes. And in that case, it makes no sense to develop exclusively for PS3, and ignore the 360. That's the road Capcom took. Because apart from a few high-profile exceptions, it doesn't look like the Japanese market can make a high-tech next-gen game profitable.

As it is now, it looks like in Japan the PS3 could end the Gamecube of this generation, with very slow sales and flares when a big game comes. At each of those surges, fanboys will come out of the wood and indicate this is the start of a pattern, and that the console is really finding its way, only to have it crawl back to its original position a couple weeks later.
 
I am really curious to see what will be the WII sales next christmas as I guess they should be able to not be supply limited by that time.
A strange thing for the wii is it is close to the impulse buy range but you can't usually buy it that way as it is still hard to find.

In all likelihood, the Wii will be supply-limited next Christmas, although I'd say it won't be supply-limited from here to Christmas (unless you are talking Japan, in which case all bets are off, look at DS). In EU/JP, thing is that Nintendo is one small price drop away from the price at which PS2 started the real killing : $199/€199. I think neither MS nor Sony want to trigger that specific price drop from Nintendo...
 
I think people (in general) way over-analyze the "innovativeness" of the DS. The dual screen is never that important in any DS game. I will give you the touch screen. However IMO that's not the reason the DS took off in Japan. DS took off in Japan because of Brain Training.

Objection! that statement clearly contradicts your honour.

The reason why brain training sells is because its so great to play with the touchscreen, that wont work with just buttons as the sega ripoff from braintraining on PSP proved.

So what I am saying is, don't use DS to predict the potential of the Wii.

A "trend" in Japan or Hong Kong catch on and go away much faster and harder than western countries. This applies to TV show, brand name product and everything else.

That contradicts again. You cant use the ds to predict wii potential because of fast changing trends but than you cant use anything to predict ps3 potential either. So that would just ''prove'' that Wii might become the main platform atleast in Japan just because its leading now and as history shows making the market turn around isnt likely to happen.

GameCube sold very badly in Japan last generation, IMO there was no reason to be so low. Nintendo just wasn't the favorite at that time. Now it's their day to shine. I wouldn't be surprised to see Wii outselling the PS3 quite abit this generation in Japan, but that wouldn't have anything to do with the innovativeness of the console. It would be because Nintendo is packaging the Wii properly and making it the iPod of Japanese family consoles.

GC sold bad because it didnt had the games people wanted to play at that time. And ofcourse the controller would be the succes of the wii because thats the reason you buy one. You dont buy it because it looks so nice and white but does exactly the same as your ps2 if it had a traditional controller.
 
Consoles without Blu-ray and HDD are quicker to be obsolete than PS3.
That's awesome; you might as well just say, "Consoles that don't say Playstation 3 on their box are quicker to be obsolete."

The HDD is really a non-factor; until someone can show an existance proof where the HDD fundamentally changed or impacted a game, then it's just an accessory. And the success of Blu-ray is just as much tied to the success of the PS3 as the PS3 is tied to it...scratch that, Blu-ray has always bet on the success of the PS3 in order to establish itself, never the other way around.

I found it odd, to say the least, that in your original post you put 'game library' in last in terms of priority for a gaming machine and that you have it ranked EQUALLY alongside non-gaming applications. I strongly disagree that you can equate the importance of applications like F@H with the importance of critical game exclusives, with respect to establishing a successful gaming platform.
 
That's awesome; you might as well just say, "Consoles that don't say Playstation 3 on their box are quicker to be obsolete."

The HDD is really a non-factor; until someone can show an existance proof where the HDD fundamentally changed or impacted a game, then it's just an accessory.
Online gaming. Downloadable content. Every console needs persistent storage.
 
Online gaming. Downloadable content. Every console needs persistent storage.
Right, and memory cards are persistent storage. I was talking about specifically saying, "hard drive" as a requirement for success.
 
until someone can show an existance proof where the HDD fundamentally changed or impacted a game, then it's just an accessory.
Final Fantasy XI. I doubt the HDD will have many game-defining possibilities (especially if large Flash storage is support in direct writes. Don't think any consoles allow that though) but it does have them none-the-less.
 
Final Fantasy XI. I doubt the HDD will have many game-defining possibilities (especially if large Flash storage is support in direct writes. Don't think any consoles allow that though) but it does have them none-the-less.
We've had this discussion before and I believe MMOs was the only one that required the HDD. In the essence of not getting bogged down in that debate again, I'll concede the point...
 
It's working fine.
What can Sony do? To sell the same numbers like nintendo sony could change the target group. They could change the high definition in standard, and blu-ray in dvd. And they could at a result lower the price dramatically. And after all they could change the kind of games. No god of war and resistance, but pokemon and mario. Then they will sell the same like nintendo... and I'll bring my ps3 to ebay and go to play my old ps2-games.
No, it's better like it is. I'm satisfied.
 
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