http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/5808/NVIDIA-Unveils-Epics-Unreal-3-Engine
Sorry if this has been discussed.
Sorry if this has been discussed.
Unreal 3 Engine and SM 3.0
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It is pretty old news - the Unreal Engine 3 (not the Unreal 3 engine!) was unveiled at GDC back end of March.
If you search around the net you can find some unofficial shakey-cam footage which looks absolutely amazing - miles ahead of any other engine I've seen. However, Tim Sweeney has stated that games based around the engine won't appear until at least 2006...
Edit: Try these links for the movie :-
http://www.scifience.net/unreal3_0002.wmv
http://home.online.no/~sanbjoe/nv40/unreal3_0002.wmv
If you search around the net you can find some unofficial shakey-cam footage which looks absolutely amazing - miles ahead of any other engine I've seen. However, Tim Sweeney has stated that games based around the engine won't appear until at least 2006...
Edit: Try these links for the movie :-
http://www.scifience.net/unreal3_0002.wmv
http://home.online.no/~sanbjoe/nv40/unreal3_0002.wmv
Diplo said:
Actually from what I understood by what Mark Rein said it was rather "the next Unreal game based on UnrealEngine3 won't be here 'til 2006" but that it was very possible that other games using the engine would surface earlier.
In any case, the demoed versions of UnrealEngine3 has as of yet not contained any SM3.0 code.
It's just like when Carmack showed early Doom 3 stuff on the Geforce 3. It's just a demonstration of future game graphics and the kind of technology that will be required to run it. There's no doubt that by the time the first game that uses Unreal Engine 3.0 is out, hardware will have already advanced a generation or two, reaching the point where mainstream cards can play it decently.ANova said:
Re: sm3.0
Seriously, you aren't going to write programs that max out the instruction limits of the NV4x processor.
It's much more useful to talk about when games will come about that use features like FP framebuffers and textures, as well as make use of SM 3.0 for significantly increased efficiency over SM 2.0. I expect this to happen after about a year. And I expect such games to run just fine on the NV4x.
It's kinda pointless to talk about games taking "full" advantage of SM3, not to mention NV4x are in a different class of hardware than the R4xx class (since they support SM3).BRiT said:
Seriously, you aren't going to write programs that max out the instruction limits of the NV4x processor.
It's much more useful to talk about when games will come about that use features like FP framebuffers and textures, as well as make use of SM 3.0 for significantly increased efficiency over SM 2.0. I expect this to happen after about a year. And I expect such games to run just fine on the NV4x.
Bouncing Zabaglione Bros.
Legend
Re: sm3.0
He said that NV40 was the first launched GPU that could run their development at more than a few frames a second, which is a little different. He has also said in interviews that they are targeting the next generation of cards after NV40/R420 as the sweet spot, and that NV40/R420 will only be the minimim capable cards, running at low res and minimum eye-candy.
It's easy for Nvidia to get a soundbite and use it on their press releases, but when you see the fuller picture, you're not going to be happy running UE3 games on NV40, and in a couple of years (when UE3 games arrive) it's not likely you'll be doing so anyway.
In fact, I'm expecting that anyone who buys NV40/R420 now will be prompted to ugrade to whatever is the lastest card when they see how poorly NV40/R420 runs UE3 games.
Edit: Changed "shipping" to "launched".
ultragpu said:
He said that NV40 was the first launched GPU that could run their development at more than a few frames a second, which is a little different. He has also said in interviews that they are targeting the next generation of cards after NV40/R420 as the sweet spot, and that NV40/R420 will only be the minimim capable cards, running at low res and minimum eye-candy.
It's easy for Nvidia to get a soundbite and use it on their press releases, but when you see the fuller picture, you're not going to be happy running UE3 games on NV40, and in a couple of years (when UE3 games arrive) it's not likely you'll be doing so anyway.
In fact, I'm expecting that anyone who buys NV40/R420 now will be prompted to ugrade to whatever is the lastest card when they see how poorly NV40/R420 runs UE3 games.
Edit: Changed "shipping" to "launched".
Re: sm3.0
Nope, he said "first to run at pretty decent framerates".
AFAIK, the only thing he has said about mininum capable is "DX9 as a bare minimum". I have'nt read anything about low res, minimum eye candy" for the NV4X, R420. I'm not saying that it isn't true though, especially since i think he said that the generation before the NV4X was running at 2-5 fps (although we don't know if that was with all eye candy on). But can you post a link ?
Bouncing Zabaglione Bros. said:
Nope, he said "first to run at pretty decent framerates".
AFAIK, the only thing he has said about mininum capable is "DX9 as a bare minimum". I have'nt read anything about low res, minimum eye candy" for the NV4X, R420. I'm not saying that it isn't true though, especially since i think he said that the generation before the NV4X was running at 2-5 fps (although we don't know if that was with all eye candy on). But can you post a link ?
davepermen
Regular
Re: sm3.0
thats what SM 3.0 is all about. and using them will take some time.
but of course, you can gain _some_ efficiency in _some_ places with 3.0.. but don't expect anything magically doubling its speed or something. some percent max in some percent of the shaders, possibly having some high peaks in some shaders. thats about all you can dream of.
wich isn't what SM 3.0 is all about. efficiency gains are minimal in most cases, the only feature it has is.. more featuresChalnoth said:
thats what SM 3.0 is all about. and using them will take some time.but of course, you can gain _some_ efficiency in _some_ places with 3.0.. but don't expect anything magically doubling its speed or something. some percent max in some percent of the shaders, possibly having some high peaks in some shaders. thats about all you can dream of.
Re: sm3.0
I thought that VS 3.0 (geometry instancing f.e, although i don't know it that's available only in VS3.0) could increase speed a lot but that PS3.0 was more about "more features/easier for developers" but not necessarily faster.
davepermen said:wich isn't what SM 3.0 is all about. efficiency gains are minimal in most cases, the only feature it has is.. more features
I thought that VS 3.0 (geometry instancing f.e, although i don't know it that's available only in VS3.0) could increase speed a lot but that PS3.0 was more about "more features/easier for developers" but not necessarily faster.
Bouncing Zabaglione Bros.
Legend
Re: sm3.0
Compared to the 2-5 fps they were getting on older cards.
He was talking about the development work they were doing on the new engine. Obviously there is nothing more than the current early development work as the game is still two years away.
We also don't know how X800 performs, but given that there is no SM3.0 in the UE3 tech demo and X800 is actually shipping before 6800, it would be interesting to know how X800 runs the tech demo.
Bjorn said:
Compared to the 2-5 fps they were getting on older cards.
He was talking about the development work they were doing on the new engine. Obviously there is nothing more than the current early development work as the game is still two years away.
We also don't know how X800 performs, but given that there is no SM3.0 in the UE3 tech demo and X800 is actually shipping before 6800, it would be interesting to know how X800 runs the tech demo.
overclocked
Veteran
Of topic here but has someone a link to the first D3 demonstration video at the Mac expo. The whole vid would be nice but i can´t seem to find it.
