U.S.: Won't back any Palestinian government run by Arafat

[Legion]

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/342485.html

Thank God they have common sense.

 

[zurich]

This thread in its entirety should be looked at as flame bait.

 

[Legion]

This thread in its entirety should be looked at as flame bait.

I imagine if i posted some pro pali propaganda (ie israel is in violation of resolutions while Jordan isn't though it took Judea and Sumaria by force) you'd truly enjoy this thread Zurich. I picked that much up from your former posts (BTW i am still waiting for you to tell me where i come from and what religion i am). You only addresse information you could easily cut and paste though irrelevant or insignificant.

Besides i posted this more to read then reply to. I am interested many of you hearing the israeli side of the story. Is there something wrong with presenting what the Israelis have to say?

 

[zurich]

This thread in its entirety should be looked at as flame bait.

I imagine if i posted some pro pali propaganda (ie israel is in violation of resolutions while Jordan isn't though it took Judea and Sumaria by force) you'd truly enjoy this thread Zurich. I picked that much up from your former posts (BTW i am still waiting for you to tell me where i come from and what religion i am). You only addresse information you could easily cut and paste though irrelevant or insignificant.

Besides i posted this more to read then reply to. I am interested many of you hearing the israeli side of the story. Is there something wrong with presenting what the Israelis have to say?

Really? I was waiting for you to go through each and every UN resolution I pasted, as well as the Geneva Convection and AECA, to try and defend Israel. Ofcourse, I simply expect a "the UN can get lost", as that seems to be the party line these days.

 

[Legion]

Really? I was waiting for you to go through each and every UN resolution I pasted, as well as the Geneva Convection and AECA, to try and defend Israel.

I think it was rather obvious my stance. Israel had justifiable cause to take those lands to ward off intruders into theirs. They were protecting themselves. They hold it now, to the objection of much of the populace, for security reasons. If you read much of the israeli press you realize most of them don't seem to want the land at all. They generally agree they should hold it until the palis demonstrate their willingness to cooperate by hunting down their terrorist criminal oraganizations. Of course we all know arafat didn't bother to try this.

So right from the get go i completely ignored much of the resolutions and their significance. My mentioning of the illegal settlements and the resolution violations of the palistinians, arabs, chinese, and so on was only to demonstrate the onesideness of the UN in relegating blame. there is no historical evidence that would suggest that land rightfully belongs to the palistinians. Infact much of it was apart of the original israel mandate. Infact it was Jordan that was intended to be a psuedo arab state. Let us not forget the name provided to these palistinians isn't historically accurate. The israelis, by the same reasoning, are palistinians.

Ofcourse, I simply expect a "the UN can get lost", as that seems to be the party line these days.

And you should. Until they demonstrate themselves to objective there is no reason to consider them.

Zurich i do find it odd you seem to feel as though you have justified yourself by pointing out i didn't directly respond to your post. Much of what i am saying now you could have concluded yourself. Yet there is still much more you haven't responsed to. It seems you only posted responses with information you could cut and paste without bothering to provide links for the rest of the information i requested of you. You have any refused to admitt the double standard of the UN an the farcical reasoning often imployed in support of the palestinians.

btw - am still waiting for you to explain that biggoted statement concerning my religion and origin.

 

[zurich]

Zurich i do find it odd you seem to feel as though you have justified yourself by pointing out i didn't directly respond to your post. Much of what i am saying now you could have concluded yourself. Yet there is still much more you haven't responsed to. It seems you only posted responses with information you could cut and paste without bothering to provide links for the rest of the information i requested of you. You have any refused to admitt the double standard of the UN an the farcical reasoning often imployed in support of the palestinians.

Lets not get into double standards since the IAEA fiasco is pretty fun in and of itself.

btw - am still waiting for you to explain that biggoted statement concerning my religion and origin.

Why? You know what I meant.

 

[Legion]

Why? You know what I meant.

No actually i don't.

IAEA - you are refering to what incident? Israel and Iraq?

Are you going to answer my questions?

 

[zurich]

IAEA - you are refering to what incident? Israel and Iraq?

Are you going to answer my questions?

Israel running to the IAEA over Iran, when Israel itself is the only nation in the world with a stockpile of nukes who never signed the treaty.

 

[Legion]

IAEA - you are refering to what incident? Israel and Iraq?

Are you going to answer my questions?

Israel running to the IAEA over Iran, when Israel itself is the only nation in the world with a stockpile of nukes who never signed the treaty.

i guess that means they are dangerous then....

We if this is true i wonder what treaties china violated buy providing nuclear weapons technology to NK.

 

[ByteMe]

Has there ever been peace in the middle east? Maybe in the long term it would be cheaper (in lives lost) if Israel just killed all the towell-heads now.

 

[Silent_One]

Has there ever been peace in the middle east? Maybe in the long term it would be cheaper (in lives lost) if Israel just killed all the towell-heads now.

Blatant racism is not welcome (nor wanted) here

 

[Humus]

I hope that's not the same ByteMe that used to plauge rage3d until he got banned ...

 

[RussSchultz]

Well, with statements like that, it shouldn't be long before he's banned here, also.

 

[Sazar]

woohooo... finally...

bush and his brilliant team have obviously recovered quickly from their ridiculously flawed and amazingly daft endorsement of Abbas and their snping @ arafat when abbas was PM... very very clever I must say...

put all the pressure on abbas while letting sharon walk free and build his wall on PALESTINIAN farm land... dang our foreign policy is good

the US's roadmap ideals are in shatters and if they dont understand that arafat is NEEDED for any peace process to work... we are in for a long long conflict...

 

[ByteMe]

Has there ever been peace in the middle east? Maybe in the long term it would be cheaper (in lives lost) if Israel just killed all the towell-heads now.

Blatant racism is not welcome (nor wanted) here

Let me expand the point I was making. Some of you history buffs can chime in here maybe. Throughout history it seems the middle east has almost always been at/in a conflict. I would argue this has alot to do with Islam being outdated (but that is another long debate).

SO, if you add up all the deaths and the expected future toll if things happen like they have in the past, it would be "cheaper" in lives to get rid of them all now.

This would also get into "justified" killings/war (another debate). To sum it up it just seems like there is zero chance of peace ever happening if the jews and islamic religion are in the same area.

What would you prefer? X amount of people killed now, or ten times X amount of people killed over the next hundred years?

 

[Sazar]

Has there ever been peace in the middle east? Maybe in the long term it would be cheaper (in lives lost) if Israel just killed all the towell-heads now.

Blatant racism is not welcome (nor wanted) here

Let me expand the point I was making. Some of you history buffs can chime in here maybe. Throughout history it seems the middle east has almost always been at/in a conflict. I would argue this has alot to do with Islam being outdated (but that is another long debate).

SO, if you add up all the deaths and the expected future toll if things happen like they have in the past, it would be "cheaper" in lives to get rid of them all now.

This would also get into "justified" killings/war (another debate). To sum it up it just seems like there is zero chance of peace ever happening if the jews and islamic religion are in the same area.

What would you prefer? X amount of people killed now, or ten times X amount of people killed over the next hundred years?

any discussion has to include the crusades... and has to take into account the various 'regime changes' that have been undertaken by the US and other governments in the region...

the volatility and instability is not solely the fault of the people that live there... remember Iraq itself had a higher gdp per capita than Australia at one time... prior to the iran/iraq war...

your point has one problem... why kill the palestinians ? why not the israelis ? there are fewer of them and by your logic it will be more efficient to exterminate them...

 

[K.I.L.E.R]

So this is your justification for calling every Arab a towel head?

Has there ever been peace in the middle east? Maybe in the long term it would be cheaper (in lives lost) if Israel just killed all the towell-heads now.

Blatant racism is not welcome (nor wanted) here

Let me expand the point I was making. Some of you history buffs can chime in here maybe. Throughout history it seems the middle east has almost always been at/in a conflict. I would argue this has alot to do with Islam being outdated (but that is another long debate).

SO, if you add up all the deaths and the expected future toll if things happen like they have in the past, it would be "cheaper" in lives to get rid of them all now.

This would also get into "justified" killings/war (another debate). To sum it up it just seems like there is zero chance of peace ever happening if the jews and islamic religion are in the same area.

What would you prefer? X amount of people killed now, or ten times X amount of people killed over the next hundred years?

 

[ByteMe]

any discussion has to include the crusades... and has to take into account the various 'regime changes' that have been undertaken by the US and other governments in the region...

the volatility and instability is not solely the fault of the people that live there... remember Iraq itself had a higher gdp per capita than Australia at one time... prior to the iran/iraq war...

your point has one problem... why kill the palestinians ? why not the israelis ? there are fewer of them and by your logic it will be more efficient to exterminate them...

Ok the crusades, yea the europeans at that time did mess up and kill alot. But do they now? They seem to have learned better. The Islamic people do not seem to have learnt anything but mass killings/ terrorism.

"fault of people that live there". Yup, I'd say the "volatility and instability" is completely their fault.

As far as killing all the israelis being more efficient... this is true, but then this would not be very fair. The israelis aren't the ones being terrorists.

 

[ByteMe]

So this is your justification for calling every Arab a towel head?

Towel Head

Noun

1)Someone, usually of middle eastern ethnicity who a) wears a towel on their head and b) was born with the uncanny ability to take off and land an aircraft but once airborne, cannot fly. They therefore must attend flight school to learn how to "fly but not take off or land" an aircraft.



Please, are you a very politically correct person? Or is there some deeply hidden emotional problem?

To help you feel better I apoligize for using the word towel head. And while I am at it I also apoligize for your miserable childhood. It is too bad your dad was not around as much as you wanted or maybe that he beat your mom. I must also apologize for the circumstances that lead upto you being put in special-ed classes in grade school. Hell, I must confess that I am sorry your first love in highschool was later found out to be a transvestite. I can't imagine how much anguish this must of caused.

Then I guess I have to be sorry your unsatisfying marriage/ irresponsible kids/ high debt ratio / boring life /etc. We all know you had no control to stop this bad stuff from happening.

The point being stop being so damn sensitive, or for all I care blow it out your butt (<- politically correct eh?)

 

[K.I.L.E.R]

You fail to answer my question, instead of a yes/no you write a couple of paragraphs showing how immature and insecure you are.

Hey, you want to be angry, not my problem.
I live a happy life.