Toshiba Reveals New Line of MBX Powered Portable Media Players

The 3A came later.

 

Sorry, you misunderstood me. I didn't say anyone would buy an SoC because it did NOT have an MBX. My point is that OEM's can and do select SoC's even though they don't intend to use 100% of its functionality. In the ideal world you would rather choose an SoC that had everything you want, and nothing you didn't, but SoC vendors don't offer that many different flavors.

 

Sorry I keep getting you and Lazy8s mixed up. You both seem rabidly pro-MBX

 

So answer my question please, does the FOMA 901i series have MBX disabled? does the FOMA 902i series made up of entirely of MBX enabled chips OMAP2 and SH-M3 have MBX disabled then why does NTT DoCoMo emphasize the 3D x 3D thats 3D gaming and 3D sound of these phones?

What about the SKT- IM8300 this is Korea's best selliing 3D gaming phone, and what about the Motorola MS-550 maybe this has it's SH-M disabled. I would just like to hear some factual evidence as this all sounds like heresay.

At present there are 10 known MBX-lite and MBX phones. Over the coming months this could rise to more than double this. IMGTEC will probably ship over 10m of these phones this year rising significantly in the coming years.

 

I should care about "your" clash of interests then? It's neither mine or IMG's fault that the entire competition hasn't integrated this far anything that wouldn't even come close to MBX.

 

I don't even know what "come close to MBX" means. No 3D vendors in this market have seen any real "success" yet, just PR and demo's. It would be nice if you could tone down the MBX hyperbole and just watch the market like the rest of us. Things will pick up, don't worry.

 

It means in terms of performance, functionalities, features, power consumption etc.

I don't see just PR and demos from Imageon, AR1x or MBX, and by far no hyperboles considering the last especially compared to the other too. I'd actually call it a hyperbole to expect any decent level of 3D performance from those.

In the meantime I am watching this market as closely as I can from my standpoint, with or without your incentives.

I don't have any specific brand loyalty and as a layman 3D is more of a hobby to me than anything else. I usually pick whatever works best irrelevant of brand. In the given case if I'd decide to buy a 3D capable mobile phone, one with a MBX-Lite integrated sounds for the time being the most capable sollution.

 

And it would be nice to see some actual comparative benchmarking of performance and power before making these claims...

Now that's a more reasonable comment

 

When I hear from a reliable source that one chip (addmitted by a representative of the IHV itself) yields less than 1/8th of real sustained triangle rate compared to the MBX-Lite (no VGP), both chips running at same clockspeeds; then I don't need to hear all that much more.

Power consumption seems to be a tad higher than the initially claimed rates by ARM on Freescale's MBX-Lite f.e., but nowhere within the margin of exaggeration.

Last comes the featureset at the above power consumption and performance.

Since you're active in the business it wouldn't be too hard to sit down and test them out yourself. If you then end up with the same power consumption similar triangle-/fill-rates in synthetic applications or higher real time performance in the so far available games on either an Imageon or AR1x, I'll apologize in public.

 

Sorry I didn't read through the whole thread, but I did get to talk to the Freescale rep at CES about the Toshiba unit and the i.MX31.

There are two flavors of proc: i.MX31 and i.MX31L. L has the MBX core disabled. He wasn't 100% sure but thinks that the Toshiba is using the i.MX31L.

And since the Toshiba is running Windows CE based OS, even if the Toshiba PMP was using i.MX31 instead of i.MX31L, you won't easily be able to create a homebrew app that was able to access the MBX core on the thing. Too bad the Tosh is not running Linux, eh?

 

If you take a look at the Jbenchmark website you'll see the Sony-Ericsson W900i (using an Nvidia chip) that is benchmarked. Are any of the other phones on that website using MBX? I don't believe so, but I'm not sure.

 

Freescale are using the i.MX31 not the i.MX31L the L does not have MBX disabled as such it just does not contain the MBX as part of the SoC.

http://www.imgtec.com/News/index.asp

oh well got that wrong it was the i.MX31L after all.

 

Well shit, that rep at the show totally made that crap up then.

 

may well be that its the i.MX31L after all as IMG no longer have a link to the Freescale announcement on their website. Tad disappointing but then again wasn't sure why MBX would be included on a PMP which doesn't appear to have any gaming capabilities. Maybe MBX is switched off then? Still don't know if that is the case or if the SoC itself just doesn't have the MBX circuitary init. Serious questions need to be asked of IMG with this disablement lark. Kristof where are you?