The old and unwieldy GTA4 thread*

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GTAIV: Is the Xbox 360 Version Superior?
http://techspyblog.blogspot.com/2008/02/gtaiv-is-xbox-360-version-superior.html
More Developer Insights: PS3 Fill Rate Problems

In doing our research we came across this explosive expose from former Harmonix Developer Jason Booth. In his blog he reveals the truth about the alleged power of the PS3. What he says may directly effect the performance of GTAIV on the PS3. Here is what he had to say:

"The fill rate on the PS3 is significantly slower than on the 360, meaning that games either have to run at lower resolution or use simpler shader effects to achieve the same performance. Additionally, the shader processing on the ps3 is significantly slower than on the 360, which means that a normal map takes more fill rate to draw on the ps3 than it does on the 360."

Microsoft Defense Force? MDF? Thick as wooden planks.
 
Why I can not edit my post?
Newbies have to pass some rigorous tests (hang around and post a bit) before they are given posting rights.

Your offering here is actually off-topic. That specific news item is old hat. Discussions on PS3 versus XB360 in hardware terms is kept in other specific threads, and if you do some searching (like the PS3 developers having troubles thread) you'll find many of the points have been tackled already.
 
Can we please keep this discussion back in the thread(s) where it was originally tackled? This is the GTA4 thread. Expect subsequent talk on hardware comparisons to be brutally hacked. If you want to discuss why one game looks worse on one console than another, create a thread in the normal console forum rather than use the game thread. Thanks.
 
Newbies have to pass some rigorous tests (hang around and post a bit) before they are given posting rights.

Your offering here is actually off-topic. That specific news item is old hat. Discussions on PS3 versus XB360 in hardware terms is kept in other specific threads, and if you do some searching (like the PS3 developers having troubles thread) you'll find many of the points have been tackled already.

Many thanks
I did not wish to unleash a flame war
Simply after a considerable quantity of badly optimised games on PS3
I did not wish to see one more
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Which I know this forum unique where it is possible to find the truth

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GTA Social Club:

http://kotaku.com/373057/rockstar-social-club-announced

Sounds pretty neat. I always liked the stats in previous GTA iterations! The actual site doesn't go live until 4/15 though!

Each day that goes by, I am getting that much more excited about this game. As good as it all sounds so far, something deep down keeps telling me we are only seeing the tip of the iceberg and no big picture. This is my most anticipated game this gen! With Alan Wake next, and BioShock was there as well!
 
Well the graphics appears pretty decent, though maybe a little too much of shadows sometimes don't you think?
Anyway that last trailer shows great ambiance anyway, it's the first trailer that really makes me hype this game. Wasn't San Andreas way more limited in graphics when compared to its same gen counterparts? Now the gap has tightened I guess. And S.A. as such ambiance (despite so much foul language), I loved it...
If they worked on the crowds' AI and if we really can enter more buildings as they promised, adding all this the new gunfighting gameplay it looks really really good.

Not to forgot I will be one unique occasion to discover New York for foreigners :D
 
What Sony has to say about Episodic content for Xbox 360 version of GTA IV:


http://www.gamedaily.com/articles/news/sony-downplays-gta-iv-episodic-content/?biz=1


"[Microsoft] spent the GNP of several small Latin American countries to get that [content], and if you've ever played San Andreas...there's a lot of game to Grand Theft Auto and there's going to be a lot of game to Grand Theft Auto IV to the point where I think most people will have that Grand Theft Auto experience on the PS3, day and date, same core game shipping on the 360. Perhaps they'll be shipping some episodic content in the fall, but there is a whole lot of product shipping on the PS3 in April and I personally don't think there's going to be a huge percentage of folks who jump into downloadable content for another price when they're still playing through the core product,"
 
What Sony has to say about Episodic content for Xbox 360 version of GTA IV:

I wonder if they also think that no one cares about the dlc in games like Mass Effect and Oblivion :) I guess they had to say something, even if they sound totally silly saying it. Seriously though, if you have both machines, why in heck would you purposely miss out on additional content on a game like GTA by getting the PS3 version? It makes no sense. If say MGS4 were available on both platforms, and only the PS3 version had extra downloadable missions, then why would you bother with the 360 version if you had both consoles?
 
I wonder if they also think that no one cares about the dlc in games like Mass Effect and Oblivion :) I guess they had to say something, even if they sound totally silly saying it. Seriously though, if you have both machines, why in heck would you purposely miss out on additional content on a game like GTA by getting the PS3 version? It makes no sense. If say MGS4 were available on both platforms, and only the PS3 version had extra downloadable missions, then why would you bother with the 360 version if you had both consoles?

Maybe you're afraid your 360 will go red at any time?;)
 
What Sony has to say about Episodic content for Xbox 360 version of GTA IV:


http://www.gamedaily.com/articles/news/sony-downplays-gta-iv-episodic-content/?biz=1


"[Microsoft] spent the GNP of several small Latin American countries to get that [content], and if you've ever played San Andreas...there's a lot of game to Grand Theft Auto and there's going to be a lot of game to Grand Theft Auto IV to the point where I think most people will have that Grand Theft Auto experience on the PS3, day and date, same core game shipping on the 360. Perhaps they'll be shipping some episodic content in the fall, but there is a whole lot of product shipping on the PS3 in April and I personally don't think there's going to be a huge percentage of folks who jump into downloadable content for another price when they're still playing through the core product,"

A) Who cares what they spent, how is that relevant?

B) It was a loan, they didn't really spend anything.

C) The fact 360 is getting GTA on Day 1 is already a major blow to PS3. Exclusive DLC is just icing on the cake...Sony can try and spin this all day long, it's still a big feather in MS's cap.
 
I think the money would of been well spent if they paid for an popular exclusive something like COD4 would of been more damaging to SONY.
 
What Sony has to say about Episodic content for Xbox 360 version of GTA IV:


http://www.gamedaily.com/articles/news/sony-downplays-gta-iv-episodic-content/?biz=1


"[Microsoft] spent the GNP of several small Latin American countries to get that [content], and if you've ever played San Andreas...there's a lot of game to Grand Theft Auto and there's going to be a lot of game to Grand Theft Auto IV to the point where I think most people will have that Grand Theft Auto experience on the PS3, day and date, same core game shipping on the 360. Perhaps they'll be shipping some episodic content in the fall, but there is a whole lot of product shipping on the PS3 in April and I personally don't think there's going to be a huge percentage of folks who jump into downloadable content for another price when they're still playing through the core product,"

Damage control and how can we blame them. After reading the Dan Houser interview i am not to worrired that i will miss something big. But it seems Sony is :)
 
This guy keeps coming across as a monumental (think Shadow of the Colossus) asshole.

How much did Sony spend, expressed in Latin American GDP's, on getting the Sony Pictures apparatus, Andy Serkis etc., to make cutscenes for Heavenly Sword? And what do they have to show for it? The popularization of an interesting framebuffer pixel format among B3D readers is the best thing that came out of it ;-)

And with regard to the "downloadnable content for another price" - he should first explain the pricing structure of GT5:p, a paid demo with "downloadable content for anther price", months and months before anyone can even get the real game.

Basically, this statement can be loosely translated as "PS3 is NOT getting anything comparable in downloadable content for GTA4, no matter what fanboys tried to speculate on the forums in the past year".
 
This guy keeps coming across as a monumental (think Shadow of the Colossus) asshole.

How much did Sony spend, expressed in Latin American GDP's, on getting the Sony Pictures apparatus, Andy Serkis etc., to make cutscenes for Heavenly Sword? And what do they have to show for it? The popularization of an interesting framebuffer pixel format among B3D readers is the best thing that came out of it ;-)

And with regard to the "downloadnable content for another price" - he should first explain the pricing structure of GT5:p, a paid demo with "downloadable content for anther price", months and months before anyone can even get the real game.

Basically, this statement can be loosely translated as "PS3 is NOT getting anything comparable in downloadable content for GTA4, no matter what fanboys tried to speculate on the forums in the past year".



The point is the majority of people who bought and played GTA3 game did not even finish the single player game. I've talked to many people who never even unlocked all of the areas in SA. With that in mind, spending 25mil just to offer something that likely only a hardcore minority will buy seems fiscally unwise. It seems very unlikely to be profitable. But I guess time will tell soon enough.

I'm, sure even MS knows that they are not going to make that 25mil back from downloadable content. What they hope to gain is to weaken the image of GTA as a Playstation game and take away sales from the PS3. It's a move to damage a competetors sales.

His point that that consumers outside hardcore gamers are not going to care. Not that it's not nice to have extra content.


Regarding GT5:p. There has not been any pay for downloadable content for this game yet. Everything has been free. There was the free online upgrade. Free online event missions. Free update to the JP version once the EU version launched etc. And it seems more online upgrades as well as car damage is coming very soon as a free download. Thus far there has been no pay for content announed by PD for GT5P


Attacking Heavenly sword seems strange. As far as we know that game did better than just break even. So it wasn't like they were throwing money away just for bragging rights.
 
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Serkis mortgage advisor is the brother of Tameem Antoniades.

When Antoniades found out about his brother's celebrity client, he asked him to pass on a trailer for the game. Once Serkis saw it, he wanted in.
 
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I think the money would of been well spent if they paid for an popular exclusive something like COD4 would of been more damaging to SONY.

Well, with all the great exclusive games for 360 this year don't you think they've done that plus give 360 owners content that PS3 owners miss out on?

I can't believe that having optional extra content is being spun as a negative. Some of you people clearly take the Great Console War so seriously you seem to have lost touch with reality. Whether or not it's something you personally want, surely you can accept the fact that it is better to the choice of having it than not to, right?
 
Seriously though, if you have both machines, why in heck would you purposely miss out on additional content on a game like GTA by getting the PS3 version? It makes no sense.

Well, I have both machines and I'm pretty sure I'll get the PS3 version (unless it's somehow significantly crappier than the X360 version). My reason for this might be silly, but in the past four months or so I've _tried_ to play on the X360 and the bastard's just so FREAKING LOUD! I mean the humming and whirring and whatnot distracts me so much I'd have to turn up the volume so loud that I couldn't play it at night or the neighbors would have a fit.
 
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