Surprise surprise, 360 HDDVD showed up in my mailbox today

DeathKnight said:
Here's another comparison. The differences are apparent, but Tokyo Drift isn't exactly the best looking HD-DVD there is (it's good, but a lot of it is dark and gritty which can hide some detail). My other dual format disc is Slither and that's also darkish.
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Look, this is the last time i go off-topic for this, but my point is not that there is no difference. OF COURSE there is! The point was never about HDDVD not being miles better than DVD.

My point is that the difference would be MUCH MORE apparent if you have higher resolution images.

Even this last example you gave, sure you can see a difference, but if the images were at least 1M or 2M pixels, you'd see the real difference between a DVD and a HDDVD played on the same screen.

Really, as a marketer i wouldn't use small images to promote how HDDVD looks better than DVD. I'd use big images which show how crap DVD can look on big screens.
 
Or in other words, take a photo of part of the screen zoomed in so that the TV pixels are much larger than the pixels on our monitors when we look at them.
 
Success on Windows

Seems there's been some success in getting the Xbox 360 HD DVD Player to work in Windows.

Source: Xbox-Scene.com
http://www.xbox-scene.com/xbox1data/sep/EEyFkZVEEyNPhTZIHr.php

BluePrint said:
"BluePrint Presents"

The Scoop:

The same day the XBOX360 HD-DVDROM Addon was released to the public in USA, we at blueprint figured out how to use it in windows, now as of this moment, officially, the movie that came with the hardware "King Kong" is currently a Dual Layer (30GB) disc so it would appear the studios are aiming for that size minimally for the majority of movies to start off with at least, this of course mean's you will not be directly copying any hd-dvd's as of yet. However, the most important thing is were now able to read the UDF (Universal Disc Filesystem) v2.5 which is currently used by the Toshiba Corp with there first generation HD-DVDRom drives. You can see the entire contents of the HD-DVD Media when in the drive. You can see the Label of the movie title next to the drive letter, you can copy the entire contents of the disc to your hdd, we have thus far only tested this in windows explorer, were anxious to hear about how folks take things from here, better methods of ripping the movies will come in the future, were also looking at the drives since there toshiba/samsung to possibly rip games in the future, of course thats not something were personally working on, but were pretty damn sure it will be possible. in any event, onto the direction's for installation/recongizing your drives contents in windows xp sp2.


The Install:

Right click on "thdudf.inf" and choose Install from the list of menu options. once this is complete, you should reboot your machine for a full installation of the new UDF 2.5 File system recognition. From here your drive should no longer just say CD-ROM when examining it in windows.

** Notes **

Again, these are litterally Toshiba Corp drivers for the file system used with HD-DVD. We did not create these drivers ourselves, so we cannot modify them, however there availability is limited to specific machines which were familiar with from our places of business, and we will continue to get the latest updates of these drivers and make them available to you as they're released to us.

If you would like to contact us about possibily contributing to the cause you can find us at pilgram@gmail.com please label the subject matter very specificly or your email will likely be over looked or even disreguarded due to the volume of questions we will recieve. we do not offer you any files via email. and you are on your own as far as getting these movies are concerned. Good luck to all of you who will take it from here and write some nice applications to use these methods more efficiently we anxiously await your mail.

This would be possible with our Mosb3rg and Watchy thanks very much guys your speed on cracking this was pretty amazing and also thanks for spending the money upfront so everyone else could enjoy there addon much more than if they just purchased before hand without this information.
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Discussion on Xbox-Scene.com forums:

http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=562281

Seems user "Anubis-MG" on page 3 got it working with PowerDVD 7 Deluxe.

When I followed a link to Digg I found this:

http://www.digg.com/gaming_news/Xbox_360_HD_DVD_drivers_for_XP

clairmont @ Digg said:
Tested: Confirmed, was kinda sluggish but it works. I got The Grinch playing for my kids right now.
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clairmont @ Digg said:
Software Used: http://www.cyberlink.com/eng/press_room/view_898.html --- I did NOT get a pirated copy!
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Might want to check out AVS Forums for how the videophiles are doing with it:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/forumdisplay.php?f=151

Looks like Vista with a UDF 2.5 reader built-in the 360 player may work out of the box.

Tommy McClain
 
interesting post on GAF by an A/V fan (who also happens to work for Bungie) regarding the HD DVD accessory


http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4829667&postcount=726

Component: 480i/480p/720p/1080i plus 1080p for GAMES.

VGA: 480p/720p/1080i/1080p for GAMES and MOVIES plus too many native VGA resolutions to list.

NOTE: If you are running MOVIES through 1080i component, on a 1080p TV, then you're effectively seeing a 1080p image thanks to the 24fps of movie content. Don't ask why, you just are. And remember, make sure your TV actually takes 1080p through VGA or component. Some don't.
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Tap In said:
interesting post on GAF by an A/V fan (who also happens to work for Bungie) regarding the HD DVD accessory
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Yep, it's the same thing like with the Toshiba HD DVD player. Without getting too technical:

You have 2 frames sent to the TV, the TV then combines these 2 frames and outputs the picture as it was stored in 1080p as on the actual disc.
 
RobertR1 said:
Reviews:
http://www.dvdtown.com/news/reviewofxbox360hddvdadon/4186
http://www.dvdtown.com/news/reviewofxbox360hddvdadon/4186

AVSforum Q&A thread with MS insiders active:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=748740

Try to find a good reason to spend money on it but already have a HD-A1 :(
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I had the A1 and was horribly annoyed by the stupidly long loading times (which I'm sure you can agree). The 360 add-on doesn't have that problem and is worth the price for that alone. And being connected to the XBL network as I watch a movie is also an added plus. I can check out who's logged on, voice/text chat, log off the movie and connect to a game all from one convenient interface.

And BTW that reviewer didn't test out the full capabilities of the machine and was incorrect on quite a few instances. For one he should have compared 360 VGA (not component) to the A1's HDMI. Secondly the 360 does upscale DVDs (through VGA of course) which he docked from the Addon aswell. If you run across one of these bad boys don't hesitate to pick it up.

Sell your A1 while you've got a chance ;)
 
DAMN DAMN DAMN I was trying to stay away from buying a brand new 20-24" 1900*1200 monitor, how on earth am i gonna resist now!!! If it's easy enough to get the HDDVD player to work on my PC, i could be in HD heaven soon!
 
london-boy said:
DAMN DAMN DAMN I was trying to stay away from buying a brand new 20-24" 1900*1200 monitor, how on earth am i gonna resist now!!! If it's easy enough to get the HDDVD player to work on my PC, i could be in HD heaven soon!
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It is even easier to get my Macs to recognize it, but no player, yet :cry:
 
awesome. simply awesome. ^_^ i wonder what MS's profits are like on this thing? I mean, it should theoretically be good for them that i don't need to buy a 360, just the HDDVD, right? ;)
 
Another review: http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=70652

The add-on easily matches the HDMI video output of any next gen DVD player be it HD DVD or Blu-ray. On a native 1080i or 1080p display, the picture quality is excellent, and thanks to the 360's in-built scaler, its performance at the native resolution of just about any HD display out there is exemplary - a downscaled image looks great on a 720p projector such as the Panasonic AE900, and with VGA, the standard plasma 1360x768 setting seems to offer a tangible quality improvement in many cases over feeding it a standard 720p or 1080i signal over component.

Its only negative points are the audio performance (which should be much improved once the promised DTS upgrade is made available) and its form factor as an add-on.
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And another: http://xyhd.tv/2006/12/03/why-xbox-...e-competes-well-with-visually-with-hddvd.aspx

This one also takes a look at the marketplace vids.

So what does this all mean to you the end user?

HD-DVD is spectacular I was unable to find a single artifact in the copy of 'V' the same was true for Tokyo Drift which is rather hard content to encode. Marketplace videos on most TV's in most home theatres, also spectacular. You being the Video enthusiast and cocky SOB that you probably think you have a home theatre that the quality difference will matter, well you are probably wrong.

Unless you have:

A 1080p Display, that really runs at 1920x1080 as its native resolution.

Have paid someone to calibrate the TV to reference, not the Dynamic, or Vibrant mode that many TV's are set to.

Have disabled noise reduction on your TV.

Are Viewing in a theatre lit room.

You are deluding yourself if:

You want to argue that your 1080i display would take advantage of this.

You don't have a 1080i display they don't exist. I have one at work it weighs 300 pounds and is only 23 inches. Everyone that has a non-CRT has a progressive display, those 1080i in's are scaled to something.

You want to argue that you calibrated your display and can do a better job than the technician from Samsung.
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